[monkeynotes]

Point #2; Your only source is a screen shot and exclusively focusing on the NHS, which is notoriously underfunded anyway. COVID certainly isn't helping the NHS which as you have observed struggles in regular flu seasons.

Point #1 government is doing everything they can to prevent that collapse scenario. I'd need to understand more about the machinations of the hospital policies you mentioned. No link to your sources, but I imagine it's not as black and white as you are suggesting.

I find it interesting that some people are like "it's not that bad, why do we need these restrictions? Everything is functioning, what's the problem?"

The thing is "it's not that bad" because of all the restrictions and vaccines. If we did nothing hospitals would absolutely be fucked and people would be dying in the halls.

Model me a world where we didn't bother with masks and other measures, then let's talk.

[logicalmonster]

> Your only source is a screen shot and exclusively focusing on the NHS, which is notoriously underfunded anyway.

Here's a few American, Canadian, and European news stories detailing similar sentiments from well before the Covid mass hysteria programming.

https://www.westernjournal.com/2018-flu-bad-hospitals-treati...

https://www.texastribune.org/2018/01/11/flu-levels-rise-texa...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-flu-idUSBRE9080WD2013...

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/patient-flow/2-healthc...

https://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/18/nyregion/full-emergency-r...

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2000-jan-09-mn-52273...

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/health-headlines/hospitals-ove...

https://www.france24.com/en/20170111-french-hospitals-cancel...

> government is doing everything they can to prevent that collapse scenario.

Deeds show intent better than empty words.

If they were genuinely concerned about the healthcare system collapsing due to a flood of sick people, they would be screaming daily begging for more health care workers: not firing healthy workers to have Covid positive health-care workers work.

Citations:

https://abc7.com/asymptomatic-california-health-care-workers...

https://afn.net/medical-health/2022/01/12/jab-or-job-califor...

Society has been sold a false bill of goods.

[monkeynotes]

Here is the thing, if COVID is like the flu even with heavy measures to prevent the spread, what would it be like it we just didn't bother with restrictions? Seasonal influenza is not as lethal as COVID and hospitals stress to accommodate it. COVID is being controlled world-wide and still hospitals face the potential of being rapidly overwhelmed. The deeds you are looking for are all around you, from vaccines to masks, limited capacity venues, rapid tests, and so on.

None of your sources talk about hospitals being "designed" to run at full capacity for profit. Canadian, UK, and most other EU hospitals don't run for profit, so that leaves the US. I doubt you'll find a medical director that claims the way to maximize profit is to design a hospital that is on the edge of meltdown every flu season.

"they would be screaming daily begging for more health care workers"

Ahem:

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210812/hospitals-struggle-...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-07/hospitals...

https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/hospitals-innovate-amid-d...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/staff-shortages-hospit...

There are many more sources citing hospitals struggling to find nurses, your last two citations demonstrate how desperate hospitals are by re-hiring folk who refuse to get vaccinated or are asymptomatic. How desperate do you have to be to put patients at risk of getting infected from their health care worker? I mean talk about rock and a hard place, that's a fucked up position to have to be in and shows that there are very few other avenues to go down.

[logicalmonster]

> Here is the thing, if COVID is like the flu even with heavy measures to prevent the spread, what would it be like it we just didn't bother with restrictions?

There's 2 movies on 1 screen when it comes to the actual stats surrounding Covid-19, so I'm not going to argue that with you.

I'll just ask you about what's serving as the "control groups". How are, say, Amish Country PA and Florida doing? Forget any stats about "cases" you can come up with for a moment: how are normal peoples' actual lives going in places where masks and most preventative measures are less common? Are people living their lives more or less normally, or are these regions wastelands of disease and death with survivors roaming the streets begging for medical attention?

[monkeynotes]

> Forget any stats about "cases" you can come up with for a moment: how are normal peoples' actual lives going in places where masks and most preventative measures are less common?

Forget stats about cases in order to understand stats on cases in areas with fewer preventative measures? What kind of crazy is that?

If you do care to look at stats on the Amish community there is this paper: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34117598/

And I think we all know how Florida is doing: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article25729082...

I don't know how else to understand COVID impact without data and factual, meaningful statistics.

[logicalmonster]

Yes, forget the stats and look at peoples' actual lives.

Life in these places is more or less the same as it always has been, other than it passing the peak of cold season. People go out without forced masks and having to show their medical histories to enter buildings. Yet these places haven't collapsed. Why not?

If the Covid narrative that we had to mask up everywhere and check your papers to ensure safety or society would collapse is accurate, why is this "control group" (for lack of a better term) not collapsing?

[DanBC]

Hello from the UK where we've mostly followed a policy of "let it rip", albeit that's sometimes been disguised.

We're fucked.

We've had very high rates of death, and we've destroyed our economy.

[logicalmonster]

> the UK where we've mostly followed a policy of "let it rip"

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't the UK implemented vaccine and mask mandates?