[MomoXenosaga]

The reality is that privacy in the US isn't the same as it is in the EU. Making these kind of deals with the US or China will always fail.

Ultimately there's nothing to stop the US from wiping it's ass with any treaty- that's the major advantage of being a superpower. America lives by different values as is their right.

Yes we need to silo the EU from the US.

[sandstrom]

The US is a large power compared to any individual European country. But for example Microsoft about as much money in the EU than in the US.

[Cederfjard]

Sorry, I think you missed an important word there - how much do they make in the EU compared to US?

[MomoXenosaga]

The EU was specifically founded because European politicians were acutely aware that divided they would fall against the US/USSR.

We are at a crossroads: remain independent or try to get as good a deal from the US as we can like Hawaii did.

[dncornholio]

The Americans should use this to pressure the government in fixing their surveillance laws.

[meepmorp]

I recognize that this is merely my impression of the matter, but I don't think most Americans are that concerned about it. I very much doubt that enough are sufficiently concerned to convince enough politicians to do something about it.

[dncornholio]

I don't know. It's kind of worrying that you can't host EU data in US isn't it?

[meepmorp]

Not as much if you're in the EU, I guess. But, yeah, it's not the best feeling as an American.