[kkirsche]

My interpretation of the actual post is less, write “bad” code, but more don’t let code quality prevent you from trying something. The former presentation of it though I can’t agree with while the latter I do.

I feel code quality is important, not because of future state and optimization but a strong architecture will facilitate other engineers learning, which is critical. For example, not all engineers have learned design patterns like the strategy design pattern or observer, etc (see https://refactoring.guru/design-patterns/catalog for great examples) where a little guidance can save them a lot of pain.

With that said, I understand we all bring different skills to the table. Some people love making every linter pass while others could care less and some actively hate it. This is fine, we just need to respect each other enough to try to build on each other’s strengths and support each other where we’re weaker.

TLDR: Rather than saying it’s fine to write “bad” code, say don’t let code quality intimidate you, and be willing to try. You can always refactor later and you’ll learn as you go.

[xLaszlo]

If in 2022 you still don't know about design patterns (not using them, just knowing about them) I feel sorry for you.

[dagw]

Are people still talking about design patterns in 2022? When I learned to code 'properly' 20ish years ago design patterns where all the rage and we studied them at university and dozens of books where published on the topic. Now I don't think I've heard anybody even use the phrase "design pattern" in connection to programming for several years.

[bennyelv]

But is that because everybody knows them well enough to just be inherent in the way that they break problems down and build systems to solve them or because they've actually been abandoned as a concept?

I.e. we don't need to talk about it because we all just do it vs not talking about it and not doing it.

[kkirsche]

I don’t disagree, but I encounter a fair number of individuals, especially self-taught developers, without exposure to them.

While it’s fine to feel sorry that they weren’t exposed to it, I wouldn’t personally say I feel sorry as I find it hinders people’s willingness to ask for help. Invite questions don’t make people feel bad for not knowing something you or I may think is obvious. We all were beginners at some point.