[moonchrome]

App store would be there even if they could charge no money for developers and have 0% cut - it's a prerequisite for the iPhone and they are making huge margins just in the devices, this argument that without allowing anti-competitive behaviour there would be no investment in the appstore is nonsense precisely becaus it's a first party integration.

For example I have no problem if a third party store forced one payment option only, but only allowing one store and one payment option is just milking your market position/rent seeking.

[plandis]

> For example I have no problem if a third party store forced one payment option only, but only allowing one store and one payment option is just milking your market position/rent seeking.

See that’s _exactly_ the problem I have. I don’t want to use your shitty payments system that’s likely less secure than anything Apple is doing. Allowing a single payment source that’s not Apple would directly harm consumers from a security and privacy perspective.

[__warlord__]

I'm an apple customer and this wouldn't harm me but it will open the market to more competitive (cheaper and better) options.

Apple's attitude of "we know better than you" is the really shitty thing here.

[FpUser]

>"I don’t want to use your shitty payments system"

I do not use Apple at all. Somehow I am not feeling "harmed".

[righttoolforjob]

What if you were economically harmed both by Google and Apple? Do you have any real alternatives left?

[FpUser]

I am an exception. I use phone as a phone and offline GPS. Do not even have data plan. So yes anything that can make a call will do. Productivity: for me it is all on PC / servers.

I might reconsider my attitude when / if I can have phone as a generic computing device where I can download and install whatever I need without much hassles and where I can distribute my applications without needing to sacrifice a virgin first.