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by bartread 1614 days ago
I'm hiring software engineers now. I've enquired with our HR team as to whether your convictions are likely to disqualify you because I've never encountered this situation before.

I'm the CTO at Savanta: https://savanta.com/. My email is ${myfirstname}.${mylastname} (all lowercase) at the company's domain. My first name is Bart. If you're interested please drop me a line and, assuming there's a possibility of us hiring you, we can have a chat - either way I will certainly let you know.

Your age is not important and, in fact, may even be an advantage for many roles. I've worked with plenty of older people and value their experience.

As long as you're based in the UK your precise location is also unimportant as our software engineering roles can mostly be fully remote.

EDIT: I've heard back from our head of HR. We review all such situations on a case by case basis so you're not by default barred from employment with us. Money laundering might ring a few alarm bells if you were looking for a job in our finance team but does not pose any inherent issue with our technology team. Therefore, if you are interested in having a conversation, please do get in touch. Either way I wish you the best with finding a role!

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Thanks so much for that, Bart!

Never met you, but it sounds like you are a decent sort.

In some cases, being an ex-con can actually be an advantage. I know quite a few, and some of them are amazingly clever folks (some are total dumbasses, too). Seeing what Savanta does, it might be a great idea to consider a non-standard (but also highly educated, and highly experienced) content expert.

Good luck to everyone.

Something I just learned about age discrimination: people over 40 are a protected group in the US, but otherwise it's perfectly legal [0]:

> The Age Discrimination in Employment Act (ADEA) forbids age discrimination against people who are age 40 or older. It does not protect workers under the age of 40, although some states have laws that protect younger workers from age discrimination. It is not illegal for an employer or other covered entity to favor an older worker over a younger one, even if both workers are age 40 or older.

So in case anyone was wondering, it's perfectly kosher to say that being 60+ "may even be an advantage for many roles"

[0] https://www.eeoc.gov/age-discrimination

that's good news, but at the same time, both OP and the guy you're replying to are based in the UK, where US law does not apply.
Interesting. I think the fact that it's legal to discriminate against young people but not against old people says a lot about the way our political process is structured.
That's really awesome. So nice to see someone willing to at least give a man a shot! Will be in touch.
Good luck man :)

As a side note, I saw someone recently post about coming out of prison from a 7 year stint, and seemed to have been a programmer in the 90s. Looked like he managed to get some work too!

No stress - look forward to hearing from you.
to avoid hijacking the flow and so you can see this quickly, I have put my comment into my profile below my email address instead of here.

my partnership was founded with a average age of over 50 years old and I was the statistical outlier child. I am rebuilding in the memory of my dearly departed friends colleagues mentors and guides for my adult life essentially. I began in business a genuine child talented no doubt narrowly but due to a fluke meeting and the intensity of the first 90s recession, entered the commercial with 200 plus years of multinational boardroom experience to babysit me writing code and pontifi..taking out of my rear. nearly 30 years later the heavens threaten to rain down opportunity for the apprehension of which I am breaking down my conceptions of being burned out and the false notion that chronic health issues mean that I am over, and I am thoroughly embarrassed now by the legalese hauteur of my original comment which nevertheless is reproduced in my profile verbatim unedited for your derision at my pretentiousness. Please forgive me for being extremely nervous about the kind of statement I have made regarding your question, which is positive, at least, for its sins. Surprisingly to me, I didn't consciously parse the information you provided about your relative age. I can only think that is because I really don't think that age is any disadvantage, absolutely the opposite. I have to face the facts and also confess that the possibility that I am younger than you positively improved my intuitive outlook regarding this situation entirely and immediately. If you think you could work with people who treat revelations such as the one just related, as being crucial business concerns for discussion and discovery of the effects, if any, on the clarity and impartiality of our work, as well as being natively discontented older Brits, ceteris paribus always of course, this might be very interesting for us both to pursue. Please note my carefully worded caveats in my comment text, however. For whatever your future will be, I wish you all the very best of fortunes. don't let the Alan Bstards grind you down.

edit : the word, "derision", improving "contempt"

> As long as you're based in the UK your precise location is also unimportant

Is this a legal requirement or is it company policy?

Typically this makes it considerably easier from a financial / tax point of view.
I think the point in hand is that the UK isn't a federation of independent States. However this isn't quite true, since the Welsh Assembly gained influence on certain fields of employment and employment circumstances (surrounding government sponsored job creation, so there's a Quid Pro Quo to benefit the employer as opposed to primary legislative differences) and Scotland I only know has sufficiently nuanced and complicated variations to have presented obstacles to relocate the "Charlotte Square Mafia" of old line Edinburgh financial institutions when certain of them desired to re-establish in the City of London and float on the London Stock Exchange. I am not certain how much the watershed 1997 Act homologated matters but I am pretty sure that the situation is never allowed to conform to the definition of Westminster lawmakers if Hollyrood can ever help it. For non Brits, Scottish public finances in terms of service to the population are a dream world compared with the UK, resulting from extensive historic compensation for the Union and latterly, North Sea Oil.
Thanks for inspiring some hope in me Bart.

I think today will be a good day.

Respect. This is so awesome.
this really brightened my day.

hope it works out