[jokethrowaway]

That's not it, the problem with Italy was in the way they were treating them and the fact that Italy is mostly old people (after government policies drove out young peoples for decades).

Several Italian doctors criticised the Italian guidelines (in particular about giving corticosteroids) but they were silenced.

We also don't know the real numbers of Asian countries, do you trust the numbers given by the CCP?

[tim333]

Most Asian countries are not China. The standards of reporting in places like Taiwan, Thailand and Singapore are probably better than the west.

[blitzar]

> do you trust the numbers given by the CCP?

No less, or more than for the USA.