[yawaworht1978]

I have worked/imterned on a pig farm once.

The pigs realize more than you'd think, their moms know when you're about to castrate the babies and they remember it, too.

When the slaughterhouse van comes along, they can feel something is wrong, this is, before the van is even visible. They might remember other pigs not coming back from the ride or something, but to kill another animal to save the human animal is not very nice.

[depr]

Would you refuse a pig heart if it meant the pig would live but you would die? Would you want your loved ones to do so?

[nightowl_games]

> not very nice

I have started to specifically think of myself as "not nice". It's a more accurate way to describe myself.

I am not nice, nor do I strive to be. Life is hard and so am I.

[plutonorm]

To try to be nice is to rally against nature itself. If you strive to be nice then you are automatically at odds with the driving force of nature. You want to make the world a nice place? Then by definition there can be no losers and if there are no losers there is no evolution. If there is no evolution, there is no life, only a slow descent bck to maximum entropy. So the ultimate question is not "do you want to be nice?" but "do you prefer life over non life?". Is the pain of existence worth it? some say yes, some say no, both are valid opinions. Personally I say yes. But I wouldn't blame a person for being anti life and working actively to destroy it.

[hogrider]

I get it if it's a vegan argument or something, but come on, we harvest pigs on an industrial scale. We can use their organs however we want because we are the apex predator, that's just life.