[jlrubin]

my point is that these are the fat tail + survivor bias of cases where you do actually care about performance to this degree, so it probably is actually more common in practice when you're looking into it.

even though precise control is the exception, if you can't do it, you can't use your language in a lot of critical contexts (and end up linking C, Zig, Rust, etc).

[masklinn]

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Nobody said you should not be able to do it, at all? The argument is about default behaviour.

Rust is specifically a langage which reorders by default.

[jlrubin]

scottlamb seemed to be implying it's not worth being able to since it's an uncommon use case, so I was explaining why even if it's uncommon it's must-have.