[cinntaile]

You could put your house up for sale at $20 million but if people aren't buying it, then that's not what it's worth. Then value and price don't match. This isn't the case for cryptocurrencies that are traded on liquid markets, price discovery is happening all the time. Maybe it's worth $100 tomorrow or $5000, it doesn't really matter. It's still what it's worth at the time.

[defaultprimate]

Maybe you didn't see what I said the first time:

Price and value are not the same. Ponzi schemes require buy in but still have no underlying value.

Also lol at crypto markets being liquid. In stablecoins maybe. Liquidity literally means volume has very limited effects on the price of an underlying. $100 or $5000 tomorrow is definitionally illiquid

[cinntaile]

I read what you said, please don't assume I didn't read your reply.

Regarding liquidity, that's not really contradictory to the definition. That's only if I meaningfully impact the price by selling, so I would have to personally cause the change to $100 or $5000 for it to be considered illiquid. If Alphabet goes down or up 50% because of a bad report it doesn't make Alphabet illiquid.

[defaultprimate]

You do not understand the definition of liquidity.

Price in the crypto sphere is only dictated by transactions (which is why it's illiquid) because there is no intrinsic value. There is no wealth creation occuring. Volatility is definitionally illiquid.

In the equity sphere, assets have intrinsic value, and their price may be affected by extrinsic factors as well, but if the price tanks overnight because of bad quarterlies it's because the intrinsic value declined. The business's wealth creation potential declined.

[cinntaile]

The usual way to determine if an exchange is liquid for a particular trading pair is the spread between the buy and the sell. If you can buy or sell it quickly for an agreed upon price it's liquid. That's all there basically is to liquidity. Now lets add the constraint that you want the buying or selling to happen at the intrinsic value. If crypto has no value then everything above it is basically a bonus, so by definition crypto is liquid.

Sure when volatility gets too high on the real stockmarkets, they temporarily pause the share or the exchange and make it, by definition, illiquid. This is however a completely artificial limitation and there is nothing inherently contradictory about having high volatility and high liquidity.

I presume you belong to the school of thought that says if you can't do a cash flow analysis then it doesn't have value. But I don't get that, there are tons of things that have value without being able to do a cash flow analysis on it.

[defaultprimate]

I'm not interested is discussing crypto's made up redefinitions of long standing, well understood financial terms.

Crypto is illiquid. It has no intrinsic value.

[cinntaile]

I took the financial definition, there is no special crypto definition. Here's a few paraphrased definitions:

> liquidity describes the degree to which an asset can be quickly bought or sold in the market at a price reflecting its intrinsic value.

> A liquid asset has some or all of the following features: It can be sold rapidly, with minimal loss of value, anytime within market hours. The essential characteristic of a liquid market is that there are always ready and willing buyers and sellers.

Now read the first definition for example and the first paragraph of my previous post, follow the logical structure of my argument and tell me what doesn't add up. You make the assumption that it's worthless, the implicit assumption in the definition is that you don't sell for a loss basically. Since you're always above zero, it fits snugly in there.

[tata71]

> Also lol at crypto markets being liquid

What have you had issues buying or selling on Uni or Sushi?