[thomascgalvin]

> The big question right now is if we should push button#3 [lockdowns].

I think a more salient question is if we can push button #3. Nobody wants more lockdowns. The vaccinated are tired of the unvaccinated fucking everything up for us, and the unvaccinated have never been open to the idea.

This is another thing pointed out by the article: there just isn't the will to do it, even if it was necessary.

This isn't being made as a medical decision, it's being made as a political decision.

[dragontamer]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nyc/comments/rxwnbl/i_am_a_new_york...

You either do an orderly shutdown, or you get de-facto shutdown.

In the case of this high-school, they only needed ~10% of students / teachers to get COVID19 before chaos reigned supreme. Students are now skipping classes out of fear of their own safety, teachers are collecting students into auditoriums (because too many teachers are sick, not enough substitute teachers to watch the students 30-at-a-time anymore, gotta collect all the students together to more efficiently watch over them).

At this point, the high-school in this Reddit discussion should have just an orderly shutdown, rather than pretending everything is fine.

[holbrad]

If people aren't getting COVID and are staying at home because of a shutdown, then this exact same situation happens again just later in time... (After the school shutdown)

[dragontamer]

No it isn't.

An orderly shutdown is better, because all the students remain at the same point of their lessons. If you're a calculus teacher currently teaching basic integrals this week... you won't be able to teach "integration by parts" (or other advanced integrals) 1 month from now, because 10% of your students were missing.

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In contrast, a formal shutdown means that _EVERYBODY_ gets held off at this lesson. You cut your losses, formally shutdown school, and start everybody up when times are safer.

You can plan around a formal shutdown. You can't plan around a de-facto shutdown. All the students are going to have bits and pieces of knowledge and are unable to catchup, because they all randomly lost bits of information due to randomly missing class.