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by ceejayoz 1619 days ago
Again:

> You don't have to take the CDC's word for it - other countries can see the same thing in their numbers.

Any way you slice and dice the data comes up with the same answer; vaccination reduces hospitalization and death.
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dekhn 1619 days ago
I don't disagree with the directionality you describe but look at the case rates and hospitizalization numbers- even the most highly vaccinated areas of the country are still heavily impacted. Omicron changed everything and our reporting hasn't caught up.

The best way to think about CDC press releases is that they not intended to be read by scientists. They are intended to guide good behavior and may not be 100% accurate in terms of medical/scientific knowledge.

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ceejayoz 1619 days ago
Thus far, every indication we have is that there's a successful decoupling of cases and hospitalization/death. Omicron's been in South Africa long enough for the lagging indicators of hospitalization/death. They remain low.

Good examples here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/interactive/2022/omicr...

Screenshotted here due to paywall: https://imgur.com/a/gk73qDy

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dekhn 1619 days ago
what you're describing is mostly intrinsic to omicron, not vaccines.
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ceejayoz 1619 days ago
That’s trivial to disprove.

https://www.inquirer.com/health/coronavirus/covid-hospitaliz...

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dekhn 1619 days ago
I don't think that disproves anything. First, I question their stats. IE I think they are straight-up fudging their numbers. Second, there are more people being hospitalized in my area (which has high rates of vax) than there are unvaxxed people. I would have agreed with you until omicron, but it's clear this is hitting vaxxed people are similar rates to unvaxxed, and that the hospitalization rates are similar.
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ceejayoz 1619 days ago
> First, I question their stats. IE I think they are straight-up fudging their numbers.

So, any evidence that contradicts your feeling will be dismissed?

> Second, there are more people being hospitalized in my area (which has high rates of vax) than there are unvaxxed people.

Sure. In a place with 100% vaccinated people, they would be all of the hospitalizations.

Relative proportions matter.

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