[gilbetron]

Nearly everything you said is incorrect:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2778234

In 2020, suicides down, cancer deaths down (because covid tends to kill cancer pages much earlier than they would've died, if at all). Some deaths are up, but no where near the numbers to outweigh covid deaths.

[everforward]

You're right on the suicides, I misremembered, my apologies.

I don't know why you're going after a straw-man here. Your own link even shows that COVID isn't anywhere near 100% of the excess deaths, it's ~70% of them. That's my only point. Excess death is not a suitable proxy for COVID deaths, because COVID deaths are only a portion of the excess deaths, sizeable though it may be.

We have excess death, a big portion of those is from COVID, but there are numerous elevated causes of death that also form a substantial portion of those excess deaths. You can't just declare that we have 500k excess deaths, and COVID is around, so COVID killed 500k people.

[Ensorceled]

Interestingly, the sudden, unexplained spike in a bunch of categories for 2020 is very suspect.

[gilbetron]

Many of them are probably due to the fact that people were less likely to go to the hospital due to fear or hospitals being clogged. Patient care took a big hit, basically.