[trinovantes]

> If something is difficult for you to justify, does that mean you shouldn't have to justify it?

The burden of proof is on you as you made the original claim that recovered patients don't go into the ICU. I simply pointed out any data that backs up this claim is biased as it's impossible to know accurately distinguish recovered and first cases as people don't just randomly get tested, especially if they're asymptomatic. In addition, there's not enough PCR testing capacity so even if they want to get tested, they may not be able to.

The only data we can accurately know is the the ratio of vaccinated/partial/unvaccinated in the ICU because everybody that gets vaccinated is recorded in a database.

> I think you (and everyone else) should throw away the term antivaxxer, and say specifically what you mean

You're right, I should just call them selfish assholes. I don't know about you but it's hard to empathize with people that would rather let cancer patients metastasize while hoping their seronaive to recovered gamble works out than take a jab.

[ifyoubuildit]

Hey, I get it, this is an emotional topic and it's been a rough two years for everyone. I wish you all the best and I'm going to leave this thread here.