[oceanghost]

I have news for you. Your manager is just implementing his managers agenda, and so forth-- which almost always goes straight back to a VP or C level guy.

Managers generally have very little latitude-- they're given X many resources to do a task in Y amount of time, and that has been chosen for them.

I am not defending bad managers-- but, they are there precisely to deliver to you the bad work environment that the CEO would rather not have blamed on him.

[ikr678]

I am aware of that, but my definition of a good manager is someone who was forward looking and focused on clearing roadblocks to allow the team to function properly, and can get the team aligned with the business needs.

If I am being asked to go above and beyond in a role, but the same is not being asked of my coworkers, or I see HR policy against staff being enforced selectively, this is the classic 'bad management' that immediately gets me offside and I am no longer as interested in work.

[giraffe_lady]

This is a very white collar view of a manager. Hourly wage workers have a relationship that is much more like supervisor or overseer. They actively police your activities, timing, behavior, in ways office workers don't deal with near as much.

Anyway why do you care so much about what your coworkers are doing or how policies are being applied to them? You don't know what's going on with them, why not just focus on your work.

[boppo1]

> someone who was forward looking and focused on clearing roadblocks to allow the team to function properly, and can get the team aligned with the business needs.

Restaurant management is more like "Four necessary people didn't show up today, so you get to juggle bussing tables and doing dishes while you argue with the ones who did turn up about the extra work they'll have to do."

[imtringued]

The CEO isn't to blame either. He has to make his investors happy. This is because there are investment opportunities based on rent seeking that have an artificially high return on investment. The CEO must beat those unsustainable returns.

[Apocryphon]

Agent: I can't help that. All I know is, I got my orders. They told me to tell you to get off, and that's what I'm tellin' ya.

Muley: You mean get off of my own land?

Agent: Now don't go to blamin' me! It ain't my fault.

Muley's son: Who's fault is it?

Agent: You know who owns the land. The Shawnee Land and Cattle Company.

Muley: And who's the Shawnee Land and Cattle Company?

Agent: It ain't nobody. It's a company.

Muley's son: They got a President, ain't they? They got somebody who knows what a shotgun's for, ain't they?

Agent: Oh son, it ain't his fault, because the bank tells him what to do.

Muley's son: All right, where's the bank?

Agent: Tulsa. What's the use of pickin' on him? He ain't nothin' but the manager. And he's half-crazy hisself tryin' to keep up with his orders from the East.

Muley: Then who do we shoot?

Agent: Brother, I don't know. If I did, I'd tell ya. I just don't know who's to blame.

https://youtu.be/xkUGd1TQuD8

[oceanghost]

Truly prophetic. Haven't thought about that in a while. Thank you!

[throwaway75787]

Then maybe the whole system is wrong. If so many people from all walks intuitively judge their experience of the results to be so inhumane, then maybe we are optimizing for the wrong variables.

[piva00]

> The CEO isn't to blame either. He has to make his investors happy.

So you are saying the buck stops at the heads of the rich class? Sounds like Marxism is back on the menu for the 21st century, we can all be the "investors" if the means of production don't belong to the old investors.