[Koshkin]

Try thinking of being the zeroth person in a line. Or your child being in the zeroth year of her life.

[ogogmad]

How many lions are in my room at the moment? Hopefully zero.

[Koshkin]

But zero sheep is not a flock.

(Besides, there's uncountably many things you have zero of in you room.)

[ogogmad]

> But zero sheep is not a flock.

So one isn't a natural number?

> (Besides, there's uncountably many things you have zero of in you room.)

;) Exactly. Zero is the most natural number.

[Koshkin]

So, on your scale, which is the first natural number?