[_8j50]

Ugh.. do you think AVs are useless or something? Why do people think this. Shit AVs are shit, end of story. Reading memory and is not cpu intensive the disk i/o intensity if windows vs linux alone is very drastic if you want to evaluate that as a baseline instead.

It's like asking the carbon footprint of freeway guardrails. I mean, norton sucks, sure but at least turn on defender (which is really good btw). The amount if lives not ruined and money not lost due to cybercrime thanks to AVs alone is staggering imo

[jjoonathan]

Freeway guardrails have never deleted my car's engine while I was minding my own business staying on the road.

[_8j50]

They would be shitty guardrails if they did just like shit AV is shit. I am not asking you to buy norton but to at least leave defender turned on windows. It stops very real and serious threats. Like i have seen attackers move laterally and they only suceed on hosts where people turned off defender or it isn't updated.

I have a challenge for any of you who disagree: write basic malware that you can use to monitor keystrokes and browser creds/traffic. Easy right? Ok, now use it in windows with defender turned on for a day and keep defender from stopping it for a week! Even better if you turn on all defender features.

I mean come on! I heard this misninformation many times before. Not once from a person whose day job is incident response. Not even once!

[sockaddr]

No, what's staggering is the number of my family members that simply cannot use their computer because it's bogged down by an AV. Also, your analogy is completely wack.

[_8j50]

Your av sucks then...

[HelloNurse]

Even a protection racket reduces crime. The trick is that it is someone else's crime.

[_8j50]

For it to be a racket the av vendors need to collaborate with malwaee authors

[HelloNurse]

Actually, I meant a "honest" protection racket that protects against actual rival gangs. The point is that replacing something bad (malware) with something bad (AV software) isn't always a gain.

[Victerius]

Yes, I think AVs are useless now, although that didn't used to be the case.

[_8j50]

This is one of thise silly things I see only among those with just enough knowledge to shoot their own feet.

The amount malware I see stopped by defender alone is very significant. Just write mediocre malware and send email , 10-15% infection rate. Checkout the loot the emoter gang had accumulated when they got raided or any if the ransomware gangs.

A little learning does much harm!

Most people don't run Linux (Aand most Linux desktop users don't harden). I mean, I could be very lazy and make bank without AVs on windows or Mac.

Speaking to you as someone who only discovered several serious intrusions after every layer of security was defeated except defender complained!