[throwaway10122]

I think its important to sepate Java the language from JVM runtime

Likes of Kotlin (and controversially Scala) do quite well on it and solve many of the ugly deficiencies of Java

Its also probably important to separate latest Java (which is improving) from enterprise Java out there which usually feels like an archeology dig with decades of boilerplate and rubbish and terrible code

Currently in an enteprise java team and hate my life and regreting moving away from Kotlin+Springboot team.