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by Dracophoenix 1631 days ago
Superkuh's point is that depending on any single service to protect/host/route your content is setting up oneself up to be Parler'd or 8chan'd. It doesn't matter how good the technology. If you don't any have any control over it, you're one copyright strike or bad mood from a CEO away from being deplatformed.

There's.no need to grind an axe to observe how past actions have set the course for the future, perhaps for the worse.
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nemothekid 1631 days ago
>If you don't any have any control over it, you're one copyright strike or bad mood from a CEO away from being deplatformed.

Again, _as opposed to what_? Are you saying polyhaven should go multi-cloud and spend triple what they need? You aren't actually presenting any real solutions, you are just complaining about the cloudflare ceo.

I'm a guy who wants to host a service. You are telling me Cloudflare bad. What is the alternative, and how do I ensure the CEO of that service doesn't null route me?

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Dracophoenix 1630 days ago
>Again, _as opposed to what_? Are you saying polyhaven should go multi-cloud and spend triple what they need? You aren't actually presenting any real solutions, you are just complaining about the cloudflare ceo.

I haven't complained or suggested a damn thing in my previous comment. All I've provided is an extended summary of Superkuh's comments and supported those claims with evidence of past events. Exercising due diligence shouldn't be regarded as a controversial position.

>I'm a guy who wants to host a service. You are telling me Cloudflare bad.

I'm telling you that depending on a single service, whether that service is Cloudflare, Youtube, AWS, etc., is a bad idea. If you don't have a credible alternative provider you can migrate to at a moment's notice, you're website and content is at risk.

>What is the alternative, and how do I ensure the CEO of that service doesn't null route me?

Alternatives:

https://www.esecurityplanet.com/products/distributed-denial-...

https://www.techradar.com/news/best-ddos-protection

Not mentioned is DDos-Guard, which has a pretty good offering if you don't mind that it's in Russia (perhaps that even might be a bonus)

You can't ensure the CEO of a company doesn't null route you. That's why it's important to have alternatives and plan migration ahead of time.

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nemothekid 1630 days ago
>You can't ensure the CEO of a company doesn't null route you.

So the alternatives aren't better than Cloudflare, Superkuh just had an axe to grind specifically with Cloudflare. And there is no an alternative solution that wrests control from a CEO having a bad day.

At the end of the day, he's still at the whims of the Cloudflare/Bunny/Akamai and if he wants to be fully in control he must spend millions building his own CDN.

It's not as if Cloudflare has major switching costs either.

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superkuh 1630 days ago
Any alternative is better than everyone using Cloudflare. This would be true even if Cloudflare hadn't already demonstrated their untrustworthiness. It's true for LetsEncrypt even if LE is awesome and really improved the internet and there are other options. If people only use one thing in practice it is a locus of control.
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Karrot_Kream 1630 days ago
"Why are you using this thing that solves your problems and does it cheaper than you making your own solution to your problems? You're leading to centralization of the internet!" Good luck changing human nature. Writing these comments here is helping, I'm sure of it. /s
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Karrot_Kream 1631 days ago
It's a caching layer. If you're deplatformed from your caching service, you still have the backing service.
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immibis 1630 days ago
To be fair, Parler and 8chan did deserve to get Parler'd and 8chan'd respectively. To also be fair, even if you are not Parler or 8chan, it is a valid concern.
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