[zip1234]

Traffic enforcement using police officers is just not very effective. People are bad at judging the risk of driving, especially as environment changes (highway to city) and as such do not very well self enforce. Speed traps only slow drivers immediately after the police officers (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/245559162_Study_of_.... The only enforcement that will actually move the needle in my opinion is automated enforcement such as speed governors and cameras.

[scruple]

Who's taking about speeding? I'm talking about people who treat red arrows like stop signs or worse. People that don't stop for stop signs. People that don't yield to pedestrians. People that turn right on red in no right in red zones. People that stop their cars in the middle of the street in 55 mph zones for $REASONS, like when it sprinkles in SoCal. Speeding is a fact of life around here. I moved out here in the 2000s. Myself, and the people that I know that live here and who I've bothered to talk to about this, do not recall seeing anyone run red lights or stop signs on a regular basis. Today it's feeling like a routine occurrence.

[chrismcb]

"people that treat red arrows like stop signs..." I'm not sure what you mean here. Are you saying people stop at the red arrow then turn? In some cases that is legal. A right red arrow out a left on a one way street.

[scruple]

I mean people stopping at a red arrow for a left turn, looking around, getting impatient, and then taking the left anyway.