[markyc]

- retina screen

- great touchpad (and gestures)

- all day battery

- no noise at all (optional but for me a big plus)

- hinge that stands the test of time

- aluminum (of very resistant) body

i'll buy a laptop that checks these off under $1600, but so far m1 air is the only one I found, and it's cheaper than that

[zibzab]

But most of these are meaningless if you don't work full days on the run. Most of us sits in an office with a big monitor and a mouse and keyboard most of the time.

And I don't get the "better productivity" talk either. During the most productive period of my life (by a huge margin, now I understand) I only had a $200 laptop. It was literally sold as "the cheapest laptop you will ever find".

(I give you the noise though, I hate fan noise)

Edit: do hinges ever break? Unless you sit on it, I have never seen this happen even with the cheapest laptops.

[kitsunesoba]

Whether you can get away with a cheap laptop really depends on what you’re doing.

Like for someone who works in Photoshop/Illustrator/Sketch/Figma even a little will need a great screen and almost without exception you’re not going to be getting that in a $200 laptop. This admittedly can be worked around with a “cheap” $300 IPS external monitor, but at that point you’re spending more on the monitor than your laptop which feels upside-down. (I know this from experience — at one point I had to do PS work on a $500 Gateway laptop and it was miserable because a quarter of the document’s details weren’t even visible).

Or if you’re compiling code a lot, you’re going to want more oomph than a $200 laptop can provide, because otherwise you’re going to be twiddling your thumbs and getting distracted and breaking flow waiting for code to compile. For me this is particularly impactful, and any reduction in compile times is easily felt.

As for hinges, on even a number of “mid tier” laptops, they tend to get loose and wobbly over time. I’ve seen a number of IdeaPads owned by friends and family suffer this fate.

[prmoustache]

You can still do a lot of great work and have decent screen by just focusing on second hand stuff. I never bought a personnal laptop as new and right now my main laptop is one I bought from my previous company when leaving. The bonus is usually once you get them they are already fully supported and stable on Linux.

It only costed me 375 euros. It is not a high end model, but a mid range (Lenovo E580) from a few years ago that was specced with the fastest i7 cpu and with as many ram (32GB) as supported. It is not Macbook M1 whatever fast/nice but for me it is still pretty much current. I cringe when people say they cannot work with 1080p screen but the reality is you are perefectly comfortable on them as long as you don't know better. This is something I have learned with different domains, not just computing but also sport equipment, music hardware. You don't necessarily miss the new tech until you tried it and you are not necessarily less productive, comfortable, creative or competitive on older tech, only expectations changes. But once you tested the new drug sure it is hard to come back.

[kitsunesoba]

I won’t argue that there’s high value in used machines. I will say that I probably wouldn’t buy a used consumer grade laptop… their specs are often mediocre even when new and their build quality often doesn’t hold up to the rigors of time. I would only give used business and workstation laptops serious consideration.

Personal anecdote: at one point in the early 2010s I was cash strapped and needed a reasonably capable machine. First I tried that $500 Gateway I mentioned, which was terrible to use across almost all dimensions. I ended up returning that machine and instead putting it toward a used Dell Precision M4400 workstation laptop, which was expensive when it was new in 2008 but I got it along with a bunch of accessories off of Craigslist for $350. That thing was immensely better than the cheap 4 years newer Gateway in every way, and much much more usable for work. That machine held out for me for several years until I could afford something better.

As far as screens go, resolution is less important to me than panel quality. I’ll take a 1280x800 screen with decent color performance over a 1920x1080 screen with garbage color. In the case of the cheap Gateway, the screen’s unusability had more to do with it being a terrible bottom of the barrel TN display than it having a 1366x768 resolution. While the Precision’s panel was higher rez (1920x1200) it also handled color much much better which is what made the difference for me.

[markyc]

I hear you

I was very surprised after I bought a nice big monitor and great mouse that I ignored them most of the time, so now I just work off the laptop, it works best for me, which I never would have guessed in my desktop years

That said, I've been very productive with a creaky noisy cheap lenovo with ubuntu so in my case it's not just about productivity but also comfort

Re: do hinges ever break? they tend to, when you use the laptop 10 hours per day

[monopoledance]

That's terrible ergonomics and you will grow a hunch. One day you will notice in the mirror and your consequent attempts to straighten your neck will fail. Laptops are such a legacy format, we only endure because we're denied power-/useful tablets, which would be much more flexible ergonomics-wise.

[nullwarp]

So much this, working off a laptop while having a proper keyboard and mouse near by seems crazy to me.

[markyc]

I have a standing desk and take plenty of breaks, which helps

[monopoledance]

Standing desk doesn't help with the viewing angle and neck strain. Your upper body should be exactly the same as sitting well adjusted.

[timeon]

I haven't used mouse since I switched to mbp - and I use autocad/rhino a lot.

> And I don't get the "better productivity" talk either.

Among other reasons some people are concerned with energy use in general.

[FearlessNebula]

I think you’re underplaying two things:

- not just a great touchpad, literally the best one in the game undisputed

- all day battery life. And not PC laptops that claim 14 hours of battery but see 5 in reality, I’m talking actually 14 hours of battery in real world use.

[timeon]

- decent speakers