[germandiago]

Reducing it should also be forbidden in my opinion.

We should not be entitled to steal the effort of others. Every person can do what they deem right with their things.

It is not a matter of how much. By that reasoning I could make legal hitting people, even if it is bad, as long as I do not kill anyone. Would that make hitting people better? I do not think so. The action is still hitting.

The same way, the action is still stealing wealth for whatever reasons. Not a right choice.

[dreinhardt]

In a finite world of limited resources, how couldn’t it be a question of how much?

[nyokodo]

> In a finite world of limited resources

Resources are indeed finite, but value is not. The wealth of new ideas, figurative and literal, is practically infinite. Your statement sounds very much like the zero sum fallacy.

[germandiago]

It is not the main question. Why? Because not all wealth is done by resource-intensive business. Developed countries rely a lot on services not only primary and secondary sector.

Also, by having more offer available, prices are dropped. That benefits everyone, making them automatically wealthier, since now services are at the reach of more people at a lower price.

I do not see the problem. At least, not so far.

Indiscriminate redistribution by force has a long history of failure and it makes places poorer, not wealthier.

[elzbardico]

It doesn’t matter what we think is right. The more the people who have, have more than the people who doesn’t have, the closer we are to a time when the don’t haves will say: “fuck that, I was born in the same world as you, why should you have all the nice things just because you were born to the right parents.

Só, the choice is simple: you can pay more taxes now, or just hope that the masses won’t do a revolution and send you to the guillotine all the while you scream about your god given constitutional rights to property.

[germandiago]

Or alternatively a revolution can be done the other way around: effort is a holy thing. It cannot be stolen.

Or people who provide services go to the strike and stop producing. What would happen?

[elzbardico]

Yeah. Keep believing that. It worked so well to the Romanovs

[germandiago]

Dreaming is free. Lol! I want a world where what a rich did or what a homeless received voluntarily from someone has the same value: it cannot be stolen on any basis. No matter the explanation, justification, good will they explain they have and what they will do with it. You earn something, you manage it. You want something, you deal.

[jz391]

Bolsheviks are not a great example of a success story to bring up in support of your argument...

[elzbardico]

I am not telling the Bolshevik are right or that they are a success story, what I am telling is that no matter the actual fairness of stuff, if you don’t help your society eventually they will take our things by force. Taxes are the price we pay to live in a civilized society

[germandiago]

No. Taxes are the proof that there are mafias and people that are not civilized enough and want to spoil the rest.

A civilized person would try to contribute to the society without promoting violence to steal other people efforts.