[neilwilson]

More notable is actuarial data that shows that all cause mortality remains stubbornly elevated. Actuaries study death for a living and they need to get it right or the life insurance companies they work for go bust.

What the data suggests is that in aggregate we're largely moving death around. From who to whom is the question.

[throwaway97345]

"Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64"

That's not the old cohort that typically dies from Covid anymore.

https://www.thecentersquare.com/indiana/indiana-life-insuran...

[whimsicalism]

Excess mortality stats show this to be obviously false

[foo_barrio]

Isn't excess mortality the aggregate? That was way up in 2020 (in the US at least) no? How is this moving death around?

[illys]

I am not in the figures but I understand "moving death around" this way:

If you do not properly hospitalize serious Covid patients, you get more Covid death... If you properly treat them, you postpone the treatment of other sicknesses and increase death count in another population.

Then you keep an excess mortality that just moves around.

[foo_barrio]

But excess mortality is the total. It's not the slice of the pie where if you grow one, the other shrinks, it IS the pie no? There was an huge bump in excess mortality year-over-year. If it was moved around you'd expect the total of all the dips to come close to the bump? That's not what has been observed.

So something caused more people to die than usual. What is it? (rhetorical question not asking directly).

[flipbrad]

With a large population of unvaccinated people, and the virus affecting record numbers of people, what did you really expect to happen to all cause mortality??