[trelane]

Yes. System76 partnered with Clevo to do their laptops, but it's not the exact same hardware as when you buy Clevo directly. E.g. https://twitter.com/jeremy_soller/status/1322954964549824512 I recall also discussing this with them when I was waiting for a laptop to get refreshed. There were working with Clevo to get some firmware issue fixed before they would ship it.

Of course, their Thelio hardware is very much not just a rebranded white box vendor. :)

I agree it could be better. It'd be really nice if the Linux hardware vendors had sufficient pull with the odms to get even more Linux didn't designs put together. Buying Windows hardware and putting Linux on it, however--even if you're waiting for some day when the better situation has arisen--, is actively working _against_ that goal.

[trelane]

There may be others that do more. If so, I'd like to know it. Pine perhaps? System76 has done really good work on this and is the best option I know of.

[TingPing]

Their Thelio hardware is off the shelf, mine has a regular Gigabyte board.

[trelane]

I don't think they fab their own chips either. It's a stretch to say the whole system is off the shelf because it has a commercially available motherboard with custom firmware, e.g. https://tech-docs.system76.com/models/thelio-massive-b1.2/RE...