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by wahern 1632 days ago
> argues BLAKE2s is twice as fast compared to SHA256.

That's for 16KiB inputs.

> One aspect switching from SHA1 to BLAKE2s does is it increases the total entropy a single compression operation adds to ChaCha20. This increases speed when folded BLAKE2s adds 128 bits per operation instead of folded SHA-1 that adds 80 bits.

But the question was why BLAKE2s instead of SHA-256, not SHA-1. SHA-256 has the same digest length as BLAKE2s.
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oconnor663 1632 days ago
> That's for 16KiB inputs.

BLAKE3 needs 16 KiB of input to hit the numbers in that bar chart, but BLAKE2s doesn't. It'll maintain its advantage over SHA-256 all the way down to the empty string. You can see this in Figure 3 of https://github.com/BLAKE3-team/BLAKE3-specs/blob/master/blak.... (BLAKE3 is also faster than SHA-256 all the way down to the empty string, but not by as large a margin as the 16 KiB measurements suggest.)

On the other hand, these measurements were done on machines without SHA-256 hardware acceleration. If you have that (and Intel chips from the past year do), then SHA-256 does a lot better of course.

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wahern 1632 days ago
Ah, the low eBASH numbers must be for SHA-NI. Looking at older CPUs SHA-256 ends up being about 2x slower than BLAKE2s at 576-byte message sizes.
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maqp 1632 days ago
>That's for 16KiB inputs.

Oh that's a good point.

>But the question was why BLAKE2s instead of SHA-256, not SHA-1. SHA-256 has the same digest length as BLAKE2s.

Two things come to mind. Firstly, does it really matter to speed? The reseeding interval of ChaCha20 DRNG (i.e. BLAKE2 call frequency) is 300 seconds and it runs in the order of milliseconds. Best bang for buck at this point would result from ChaCha-NI.

Secondly, there's the aspect of reducing reliance on an algorithm that suffers from length extension attacks. While LRNG itself doesn't directly benefit from BLAKE2s's indifferentiability, it helps in phasing out SHA-2 which is less misuse-resistant, and that might be misused elsewhere.

(Finally, no more pointless flame wars about "An algorithm created by the NSA is being used in the LRNG!!")

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loeg 1632 days ago
> The reseeding interval of ChaCha20 DRNG (i.e. BLAKE2 call frequency) is 300 seconds and it runs in the order of milliseconds.

I would guess microseconds.

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