[cowbellemoo]

> It’s a waste of everyone’s time and money.

Isn't incarcerating a person who's not a danger to others and who's crime had no harmful outcomes a waste of everyone's time and money?

> 6 months does not sound like the disproportionate punishment many make it out to be

I encourage you to learn about the conditions in prisons. Imprisoned persons are frequently subject to physical and sexual violence at the hands of guards and other incarcerated people. These are inhumane conditions to subject anyone to, mass murderer and copyright-infringer alike.

[tiahura]

There’s a big difference between a maximum security prison and a minimum security camp. We probably share many opinions about the former, non-violent penny ante white boy offenders go to the latter.

“Bob’s Story: “I was in the minimum security camp at Fairton for about nine months. It wasn’t nearly as bad as I expected prison to be. The place was clean, the food wasn’t bad, and I didn’t feel any tension between the guys. If I wanted to avoid someone, I could stay to myself. “There were fewer than 100 guys serving sentences in the federal prison camp and I didn’t feel much in the way of harassment from anyone, staff or inmates. With the help of an orderly, I coordinated a prison job for myself in the library. It was just a small room with lots of books and I passed my days catching up on reading. I hadn’t read at all since I was in college because work kept me too busy. During the time I was at the camp I read about 30 great books and I lost 25 pounds. I’m back down to the same weight I was when I was in school and I feel better than ever. My wife loves the new look. She says the prison sentence probably gave me an extra ten years to live.”

https://www.whitecollaradvice.com/whats-it-like-in-the-priso...

Remember, maximum security is expensive.

[ModernMech]

> Isn't incarcerating a person who's not a danger to others and who's crime had no harmful outcomes a waste of everyone's time and money?

Yes, but I think the solution is to make fewer things criminal through the democratic process first. Enforcement of laws is important.

It’s one thing to put people in jail who don’t belong there. But according to this article it kinda seems like Swartz did deserve some jail time.

He knowingly broke the law and showed no remorse. Instead his view was that the law should not apply to him because he did not agree with it. That’s a dangerous mindset to have for an individual with money and power.

It’s important to show remorse and contrition in these circumstances, otherwise we can just assume the behavior will continue. And Swartz had a history of this kind of behavior starting with PACER, so really it should have been expected that failing to prosecute in this instance would have been taken by Swartz as a signal to behave like this with impunity.

> I encourage you to learn about the conditions in prisons.

I 100% agree with you, and know all about this topic, but that’s really a different conversation.

[andreilys]

Enforcement of laws is important.

Agreed, unfortunately it seems that we selectively enforce laws based on political pressure. Look at the numerous high profile cases targeting white collar criminals, for example with Purdue and the Sackler family.

They got away with zero jail time and a slap on the wrist (financially), all because they were able to hire the right political actors who could influence the outcome of legal procedures.

I'm sure if Swartz was similarly connected (for example a family who was a Senator), this whole thing would have gone away quietly.

Alas, the laws that apply to the commoners do not apply to the elite.

[ModernMech]

> Look at the numerous high profile cases targeting white collar criminals, for example with Purdue and the Sackler family.

Don’t give up hope yet!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/202...

> I'm sure if Swartz was similarly connected (for example a family who was a Senator), this whole thing would have gone away quietly.

I think Swartz made himself an easy political target without realizing it. From his perspective, he was just a guy in a room trying to “save the world.”

From the outside a different picture can be painted. He positioned himself as an activist, and amassed a great deal of resources and even an active following. He was well connected in that he was on a first name basis with billionaires, and probably even had the personal numbers of a few in his phone.

So I think all this made Swartz a target without him really intending to be one. Or at least he didn’t think that in the process of “saving the world”, that the world would fight back. That seems to be one of the central points of TFA at least.

[rcoveson]

Adding to this, there's the overwhelming despair of a young idealist being forced to accept an unacceptable situation. It's plain to the pragmatically disillusioned that the right course of action is to plead guilty. However, not all people, especially at that age, are prudent self-interested agents. Aaron had the choice to surrender to the system he was born into it or violently exit it.