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by 0x0nyandesu 1633 days ago
Speak for yourself. The last thing I want during covid is to be stuck in a metal box with 100 strangers uncomfortably wearing masks instead of in my own car blasting music with the window down.
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Avoiding car dependence in cities doesn't mean they will take away your car. It just means that I don't need to use a car to live there.
It kind of does though. People online cheer when city centers become closed to cars. Spreading it further probably means restricting cars more.

I don't really disagree with your overall stance, but those two do often go hand in hand. Perhaps that's why progress is slow on that front.

You still get to have your car, it just means you can't drive it right through the middle of a dense living area, you'll have to park on the edge and walk/tram/scooter in. Which is the best for everyone.
Except for those in a condition not to easily walk or use any kind of two wheels device.

Then there is the whole issue that local city transportation is pretty lousy, even in Europe.

Sure big cities have it good on the innermost district, live a bit more on the outskirts or in a smaller town and taxi becomes the only option for those not willing to wait between 1-2h for each bus into each direction plus additional commute.

A 30m drive quickly turns into 2h.

Electric wheelchairs are likely the best option for the first group. Good thing is making an area better for walking makes it better for disabled people as well. A car centric area is extremely hostile for people with disabilities which make it difficult/illegal to drive.
I am all for improvements in such areas, unfortunately even in countries like Germany, there are plenty of local subway stations and local train ones where those requirements are just ignored.

There are cars specially tailored for people with disabilities, and electric wheelchairs are only practicable in sunny weather.

Blind, wheelchair-bound, and elderly people use trains daily everywhere in Tokyo. It only sucks if your city doesn’t value the non-able-bodied (which unfortunately is most of the world).
I remember being surprised at the abundance of tactile paving in Japan.

https://www.simplemost.com/sidewalk-bumps/

Everyone can be temporarily in such situation, but most of the world doesn't care.
In an ideal world you would not wait for 2 hours for a bus.
Except most of the isn't ideal, far away from it.
It also means that, often, it will be slower and/or more inconvenient to use the car.

For example, in my city, for distances inside the urban core, bicycle is usually the fastest mode of transport, public transport is about 1.5x - 2x the bicycle (fine if you are feeling lazy), and car is 1.5x - 3x the bicycle depending on time of day and associated traffic levels.

Sure, if the weather is horrible and I am feeling lazy, I might use my car instead of jumping on the bike, but often after reaching my destination I'll realize that it wasn't really worth taking the car.

> The last thing I want during covid is to be stuck in a metal box with 100 strangers uncomfortably wearing masks instead of in my own car blasting music with the window down.

Or you could walk or take a bicycle (e.g., Amsterdam/Netherlands).

And get rained/snowed on like an animal?
In the event that this is a (somewhat/semi-)serious comment:

First: one doesn't have to cycle all the time. If the weather is bad, or if you just don't feel like it, then one can certainly just not cycle. Feel free to take transit or your car/taxi/uber.

But by designing 'human scale' neighbourhoods this gives people the option of choosing their mode of transportation, instead of being forced to own/operate an expensive piece of equipment that sits idle and depreciates most of the time.

That being said, as someone who cycled in the Before Times to work in Toronto for ~9 months out of year,† I've found the risk of rain was more of a deterrent than actual rain. The number of times I was actually commuting in the rain as quite small over the course of a year.

When I started cycling I would look at the weather forecast, and not take my bicycle if there was a decent chance of rain. And most times it ended up not raining anyway. So at some point I bought rain gear and stuck it in a pannier: I no longer bothered looking at the forecast.

Of course one doesn't need to go for all the funny looking clothing. A simple poncho folded away can be sufficient:

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLM_mTUuHlc

† Often the road conditions were garbage in January and February because a lack of decent practices in snow clearing. Those were the months I generally skipped: I often cycled into December (when it was still 'dry') and often re-started in (mid-)March.

Plenty of things you do are “like an animal”. I cycle in Amsterdam all the time, and while rain is unpleasant it is really not the end of the world.
Walking barefoot and living in a cave is also not the end of the world, but most of us would not prefer that kind of life. Not everybody is like you and not everywhere is like Amsterdam.
I have an aunt/uncle in Germany and when I visited them I'd occasionally take one of their bikes out and bike to my grandparents dacha about two miles away. It's cute and super euro but as soon as it's a little cold or rainy I'm over it.

Of course they still own two cars and drive to work despite it being "only" a 15 minute bike ride. They are both MDs.

> Of course they still own two cars and drive to work despite it being "only" a 15 minute bike ride. They are both MDs.

Yeah, I always marvel at Americans who think that Europeans walk, cycle, or take public transit everywhere. Some do, especially students and retirees. However, for working people, car is still king.

There are other modes of transport than trains/cars. For example: bicycles.