[Arathorn]

> As j. b. crawford notes, the prospect for another federated, Internet wide communication system seem very remote at this point in time, so email is it.

I really don’t think this is true, and is defeatist at best. SIP and XMPP both had a good shot at creating a federated Internet-wide communication system, and we are doing our best to build one with Matrix or die trying.

[upofadown]

A short message instant messaging system can not replace a long message offline capable system like email. They are fundamentally different things.

The achievable security is significantly higher for an offline capable medium for example:

* https://articles.59.ca/doku.php?id=em:emailvsim

It is clear to me at least that we are stuck with at least 2 problems here. I have wondered if you could at least generalize the two modes in a way that would allow you to have one client and let the user decide.

[rakoo]

Both Matrix and XMPP can be used as instant messengers and asynchronous long-form messengers. They both have asynchronous encryption, and have had it for years now.

[zaik]

What's wrong with XMPP except Google decided to shut their instance down?

[MattJ100]

Nothing. XMPP has an active community, mature servers for every kind of deployment, and many clients under active development for a range of platforms.

My personal focus within the community these days is with improving the ecosystem UX through initiatives like https://docs.modernxmpp.org/

You can follow XMPP development via the community newsletter (email or RSS): https://xmpp.org/newsletter/

[sneak]

Matrix is crap, though, and doesn't solve any new problems.