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by throwaway894345 1639 days ago
I suspect the experience varies pretty widely based on what languages you use and what you’re trying to do with it. If you’re just building Go binaries then I’m sure Bazel is great, but if you’re doing anything with Python 3 or if you’re doing something a little off the beaten path like code generation, it’s probably a frustrating experience.
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ameliaquining 1639 days ago
Lots of things can be complicated in Bazel, but I would not at all consider code generation to be among them. You just write a genrule, and wrap it in a macro if you want to do the same thing more than once. (It can be more complicated than this, of course, but then code generation isn't the hard part of the problem.)
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xyzzy_plugh 1639 days ago
> If you’re just building Go binaries then I’m sure Bazel is great

Compared to other things in Bazel maybe, sure. But if you're just building Go binaries you don't need Bazel. The standard Go tooling is beyond sufficient: it's hard to beat.

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throwaway894345 1639 days ago
Yeah, I completely agree.
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fivea 1639 days ago
> I suspect the experience varies pretty widely based on what languages you use and what you’re trying to do with it.

I second GP's assessment that Bazel is pretty developer-hostile if you are not Google or have Google's resources to maintain Google's build systems.

Case in point: get Bazel to consume system libraries or vended/third-party dependencies in a C++ project. This is a pretty basic usecase, but it was left as an afterthought in Bazel, and it's an uphill battle just to get Bazel to work with them.

I don't doubt that Bazel can be usable if your entire world is locked tight in repos you control and were all forced to migrate to Bazel. It's the same thing with GYP, another developer-hostile build system spawned there. However, that is not how the world outside of Google works.

The only way I see Bazel become relevant and usable for non-Google/FANG-size orgs is if a higher level build system like CMake supports generating Bazel code, so that all these shortcomings are brushed under the proverbial rug. However, if we get to that, are we really using Bazel, or is Bazel relegated to an implementation detail?

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