| > a bunch of links of people on YouTube walking around this same area and not seeing anything like this. There is heavy tracking and surveillance in China [1], especially in Xinjiang [2][3]. Hence any reporting of Xinjiang, including the YouTube links you mentioned and posted, have selection bias. That is, unfavorable reports or videos are censored, while favorable videos are selected, if not outright sponsored as part of large-scale online disinformation campaigns [5][6]. ===== The tracking and surveillance of reporters in Xinjiang, where journalists are tracked and have photos deleted for no reasons [2]: I was in Kashgar to report on how the Chinese authorities had turned to technology to cement their control of the Xinjiang territory, a region in the west of the country. Foreign journalists who travel there are tracked. I became one of the watched.
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Another time, a police officer stopped us close to our hotel. Inspecting Chris’s photos, he deleted a shot of a camel. When Chris asked why that photo was deleted, the man turned to Chris and said, “In China, there are no whys.”.
=====The tracking and surveillance of reporters in general, using the pandemic as an excuse and using visas for control [3]: Several foreign and domestic journalists were forced to abandon stories after being told "to leave or be quarantined on the spot," the report highlighted. Press credentials were commonly canceled by Beijing officials and embassies were routinely tasked with trying to renew revoked visas from journalists. The report said foreign journalists were used as "pawns" in China's international diplomatic disputes.
=====The sponsorship of favorable YouTube and other social media videos, also covering ethnic mintorities [5]: The Barretts are part of a crop of new social media personalities who paint cheery portraits of life as foreigners in China — and also hit back at criticisms of Beijing’s authoritarian governance, its policies toward ethnic minorities and its handling of the coronavirus.
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State-run news outlets and local governments have organized and funded pro-Beijing influencers’ travel, according to government documents and the creators themselves. They have paid or offered to pay the creators. They have generated lucrative traffic for the influencers by sharing videos with millions of followers on YouTube, Twitter and Facebook.
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His videos do not mention the internal government documents, firsthand testimonials and visits by journalists that indicate that the Chinese authorities have held hundreds of thousands of Xinjiang’s Muslims in re-education camps.
They also do not mention his and his family’s business ties to the Chinese state.
=====> Hey what sort of bullshit is this HN? This sort of bullshit (sponsored videos) should not be promoted on HN, which may fuel the disinformation campaigns [5][6]. [1]: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/29/china-province... "Chinese province targets journalists and students in planned surveillance system" [2]: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/16/insider/china-xinjiang-re... "Being Tracked While Reporting in China, Where ‘There Are No Whys’" [3]: https://www.newsweek.com/china-harassing-intimidating-journa... "China Harassing, Intimidating Journalists With Surveillance Built to Curb COVID-19" [4]: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/12/13/technology/ch... "How Beijing Influences the Influencers" [5]: https://web.archive.org/web/20211224143113/https://www.nytim... "How Beijing Influences the Influencers" [6]: https://miburo.substack.com/p/cotton-the-act "Cotton the Act: Large-Scale Network of CCP-aligned Facebook Accounts Deny Mass Atrocity in China's Xinjiang Province" Edits: added more links. |
The original commenter says "China is X way".
Someone responds and says "China is Y way."
Everyone ought to be able to upvote/downvote, and argue + discuss to their hearts content.
I have no horse in this race, but I would have expected the person to just get downvoted into oblivion or responded to with posts like yours, containing responding counter-arguments/links, if the majority of people disagree with or hold contrary evidence to.
My reaction was less to do it about it being anything specifically related to China, and more about the principle/premise of the matter.
It could equally have been "Person 1 says eggs are bad for you, Person 2 says eggs are good for you." and I would have had the same reaction.