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by tyingq 1643 days ago
There are some interesting observations there, but I think there's more to it.

Several sources say about 30-40% of the cost of a home in the US is labor.

Just the bill for the foundation and driveway for a typical US home is $7-15k (or more), so a $30-40k home seems not possible here.

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The notion that markets price accurately seems poorly supported on evidence.

In the case of housing:

- A chief cost of labour is itself housing, largely in the form of rents (in the economic sense), most especially of land and fiancing (interest), though also through the burdon of zoning and construction codes which further limit supply and flexibility. I'm not a fan of eliminating all regulation by any means, but there's a distinct difference between effective and ineffective or burdensome regulation. Note that the usual deregulation argument of "just let the market sort it out" is what I'm attacking principally in this comment.

- Natural resource pricing in particular is exceptionally inaccurate. The entire concept of "nonrenewable resources" is equivalent to "the market price supports use at rates greater than those of formation". This applies across numerous raw resources, from timber to topsoil, but most especially to fossil fuels which are consumed at a rate 5 million times that of their formation. That's equivalent to saying that the incorporated time cost is too low by a factor of millions.

- Negative externalities such as pollution, and climate change is a form of pollution, are also under-priced. This is usually seen in terms of direct energy use of housing and commercial space, but it's also present in indirect energy usage, most especially transportation. Denser and more energy-efficient designs would greatly reduce total energy use without reducing quality of life (a/k/a "economic utility").

Traditionally, construction relied heavily on locally-sourced materials. The catacombs of Paris and Rome (amongst other cities) were created in the process of quarrying stone for use in construction of the buildings above. Stone, adobe, half-timbered construction, and similar designs all incorporate locally-accessible and abundant materials, or where nonabundant materials (especially timber) are used, rely on cheaper infill materials outside structural members.

Yes, modern construction affords greater hazard protections (major cities don't regularly burn down or collapse entirely in earthquakes or hurricanes), but often through methods that while economically feasible given the market distortions I'm describing here, are not especially ecologically viable.

Another element of traditional construction that's somewhat poorly appreciated is that buildings were often little more than structural shells. Beginning around 1875, structures themselves began to be networked, not only with streets as they'd long been, but with utilities: water, gas, sewerage, electricity, telephone, cable, and more recently Internet service. Of these, water is probably one of the most destructive long-term, as introducing indoor plumbing creates humidity and moisture issues which can degrade the most robust of structures rapidly if poorly controlled. Fire is more immediately destructive, yes, but water acts over time.

The question is one of balancing one-time construction with ongoing maintenance and repair costs. Modern housing can last a century or more, which is a pretty good return. There are cultures which practice more frequent rebuilding (notably Japan). What happens long term, and whether or not humanity proceeds on a high-tech or lower-technology path isn't clear. Whichever course lies ahead, structure and landscape are likely to see major changes.

Despite I am extremely fiscally conservative, I don't think that "all" the regulations are bad. Neither I think that the market left to itself is always efficient.

The point I am trying to make through the thread, is there is a homeless catastrophy. When I am showing my family or friends in Ukraine some photos taken in Seattle, LA or san francisco, they don't believe me this is US.

In a time of an acute crisis, as now with housing, the radical measures must be taken. The problem must be attached from as many directions as possible. The simplest step is to eliminate the regulations. Sure some of the regulations are useful, sure some housing may end up of low quality, use too much resources, and even harm environment. However, in the situation when 100K people or more have no housing, the priority must be to supply enough houses over everything else.

I would agree that many regulations should be liberalised. Taking and relaxing those, especially those that directly affect density, should be a top priority. (California is trying, with ... limited success.)

I think what you'll find though is that even that step is ferociously resisted. A key reason for this is actually market-based, though it's not the transactional market but the asset market: scarcity increases value.

And this works for numerous established players within the system: individual homeowners, yes, but far more so, institutional property-holders and the financial institutions with asset portfolios based on real estate holdings.

Land-value tax advocates will argue that you can solve this problem by taxing land. The obvious problem is obvious: the same interests violently resist any asset tax increases as well. In some jurisdictions, most famously California, property taxes are constitutionally limited (by 1977's Proposition 13).

I've been thinking of possible end-runs around this, and have been thinking of the possibilities of related taxes or regulations which might have similar effects.

Vacant-property / second-property taxes (or fees, to get around the tax limitation) are one possibility. Direct taxation, or changes in asset valuation toward reserve holdings for banks and financial institutions, might be another. Requiring mortgages to be held over time, or limiting resale/bundling could have a strong impact, perhaps. All of this would reduce returns or increase holding costs of real-estate-based assets, should act as a land tax, and would tend to increase the pressures to make more intensive utilisation of land for housing, which is of course what will solve the problem.

I strongly recommend reading Shane Phillips, The Affordable City. He's been thinking about this for a while and studying the problem far more closely than I. The book is a set of suggestions / actions for improving the housing situation.

https://www.worldcat.org/title/affordable-city-strategies-fo...

https://islandpress.org/books/affordable-city

Ultimately, though, I think what this will take is a weakening of the forces opposing more housing, and that's likely to be difficult.

I fully agree, the housing is scarce seemingly because many want it to be scarce.

I do think it is a political issue. Thus my support for full regulation removal: if ones press for it, the actual consensus may be closer to liberalization.

Thanks also for sending the links. I have not read those, and so I don't feel I can keep a productive discussion before I read the books.

It's absolutely a political issue, and a long standing one.

If it makes you feel better, I've skimmed Phillips's book briefly but not read it in depth. It's an instruction manual.

What's required here really is some sort of political engineering.

Another insightful source, and one I've read (and re-typed), is Bernhard J. Stern's "Resistances to the Adoption of Technological Innovations". It's from 1937, but neatly captures numerous instances of, and the dynamics driving, such resistance.

https://archive.org/details/technologicaltre1937unitrich/pag... (poor-quality scan)

https://rentry.co/szi3g (Markdown)

I can send a PDF or ePub if you'd prefer, username <at> Protonmail. Content is not copyrighted to the best of my knowledge (US government publication, no copyright notice).