[CamperBob2]

Spamming a bunch of hubble-sized instruments up into orbit won't accomplish the same thing.

It will, and then some, once we get optical interferometry nailed down. JWST is great, and needed to be done, and I'm glad it's finally getting deployed. But if I had an argument to make against it, it would be, "Let's wait until we know how to do this properly. We're not there yet."

That's a weak argument and should almost never be heeded, but it's also not wrong.

[lamontcg]

> That's a weak argument and should almost never be heeded

Well that's an incredibly strong opinion with almost nothing to back it up.

Maybe it all goes boom tomorrow on launch or the deployment is ultimately completely FUBAR'd and you can feel satisfied with yourself, but I don't buy that your principle is what we should always follow.

Hopefully we start getting data from JWST in a few months and then I invite the scientific community to figure out how to spamcraft optical and IR instruments into LEO and achieve VLBI with them in the future, but we won't have to keep holding our breath for the technical breakthroughs there.

And even as a jobs program and Keynesian stimulus the JWST beats digging holes and filling them up again, even if it all goes boom. Better than building yet another weapons program as well. And the Senate just tacked on an extra $23B to the 2022 Defense Appropriations Act for one year of spending. The $10B that JWST cost over 25 years of the program doesn't really matter at all.

[CamperBob2]

True, I don't disagree with any of that, but:

Maybe it all goes boom tomorrow on launch or the deployment is ultimately completely FUBAR'd and you can feel satisfied with yourself

A more charitable interpretation of my post would read something like this: "If it does go boom, we can either start building a new one now and try again in 20 years, or we can wait 15 years and build multiple better, cheaper ones in 5 more. Meanwhile, maybe a few hundred other researchers can get funded with the same money."

[aargh_aargh]

The reason we can't achieve the same resolution as JWST with interferometry has been mentioned in a recent startalk podcast. The distance between the telescopes would have to be coordinated to a precision somewhere on the order of nanometers.

[CamperBob2]

The distance between the telescopes would have to be coordinated to a precision somewhere on the order of nanometers.

That'll happen. It's fundamentally a timing problem, and we can already build clocks that will tell you what floor of the building they're on.

Less hand-wavingly, it's fundamentally a data-acquisition and correlation problem of the sort that was solved long ago for microwave VLBI. Back in the day, the individual stations had their own maser clocks, but now I imagine they're all GNSS-based. It is by no means trivial to go from RF interferometry to optical, or to move the antenna elements from earth to space, but that's the basic approach that will ultimately be used.