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> And let me ask a question, if systemd is crap, why does every major distro use it? If it was truly crap then surely the distro builders would use the alternative?

If Windows is crap, why does every system builder ship the majority of their machines with it? Why bother with a different desktop than Windows? Just because it's popular doesn't mean it's good.

Building a distro is a lot of work already, and avoiding systemd takes a lot of effort these days. Plus, there seems to be a lot of people who like systemd, so if you want curmudgeons like me (well, probably not me, I'm going to FreeBSD instead; I understand there may be some sort of fancy rc replacement in the works there, but I presume it won't break the things I expect to work, and it won't subsume half of base) and people who like systemd, then you've got to do twice the work, and everybody will ask you why you're pushing against the tide.

[esarbe]

> If Windows is crap, why does every system builder ship the majority of their machines with it?

Because they get incentivized by Microsoft to do so. This is a well document part of their often illegal business practices.

[IshKebab]

Windows isn't crap though.