[dschuetz]

> (3) systemd replacing the dog's breakfast of scripting madness each distro built from scratch instead of collaborating

Which goes completely against what Linux stands for - collaboration. The "scripting madness" as you call it was actually completely transparent - if the scripting was bad, you were free to fix it. But now you have to issue a bug report when systemd does something stupid and it's not even your fault to Lennart and his gang only to get it dismissed with "no a bug, won't fix".

Also, Pulse Audio only "just works" because the distribution maintainers do that for you. It's still a stinking pile of "don't no how, but it just works".

Keep telling yourself that Lennart does a great job. Stockholm syndrom much?

[trabant00]

Administering hundreds of linux servers is my job and has been for the past 20 years. Fixing bash scripts left and right was a nightmare. I love bash, but not for this. The right tool for the job and all that. Systemd made my job la lot easier. So yes, I do think Lennart does a great job.

[sjansen]

> Stockholm syndrom much?

Yes, but not how you'd imagine. I spent years as a hard core Linux fanboy. Advocating for Linux. Declaring Linux the future when many thought Windows would obviously eliminate all competition. Volunteering for install fests and wrestling various distros onto unwilling hardware.

I also spent 9 years teaching and writing training materials for RHEL, SUSE, & Ubuntu. As a result I dug deeper into core system details than most. (How many remember SUSE's attempt to achieve faster boot times by introducing an optional alternative to normal init that dynamically generated a makefile to execute init scripts in parallel? That was one of many strange rabbit holes I got to explore.)

Thankfully, I've gotten over it. I still prefer to keep Linux near the center of my career, but I've been able to adapt as "the cloud" has rendered my old school sysadmin skills less relevant. Occasionally I call on them to rescue a pet, but today I find "herding cattle" and going "serverless" much more enjoyable.

And you?

[esarbe]

> Which goes completely against what Linux stands for - collaboration.

Have a look at the contributor stats[0] for systemd and then repeat that with a straight face.

> Lennart and his gang

Also known as the Linux Plumbers[1]. You know, the guys that actually tie everything together and that enjoy the well-deserved trust of most distributions and users.

> dismissed with "no a bug, won't fix".

Usually with very good technical reasons.

> The "scripting madness" as you call it was actually completely transparent - if the scripting was bad, you were free to fix it.

You're still free to fix it; systemd is open-source.

[0] https://github.com/systemd/systemd/graphs/contributors

[1] https://www.linuxplumbersconf.org/