[chloerei]

As a Chinese, I think the logic of certain Western countries is ridiculous. Because Xinjiang’s human rights situation is considered to be problematic, so Xinjiang’s companies are banned. As an analogy, can I think that the human rights situation of African Americans is terrible, so I need to ban companies that employ African Americans?

These bans will only make the living conditions of minorities worse, because they may lose their jobs because of the ban.

By the way, Uyghurs live and work in every province in China, especially in the catering industry. I have never heard complaints about forced labor. American propaganda makes me feel ridiculous, but it seems to be working.

[chadcmulligan]

> I have never heard complaints about forced labor.

So does this mean they don't exist?

> These bans will only make the living conditions of minorities worse, because they may lose their jobs because of the ban.

but they are slave labour, so whether they have a job or not doesn't really matter? or would you say thats not the case? If so they could move and get a job somewhere else?

[limoce]

> So does this mean they don't exist?

Given GP never hears about forced labor, GP may want to express that the percentage of people who are being forced to labor is low, or nearly impossible. "sth doesn't exists" is somewhat extreme.

[tgv]

You've earned your social credits for today. Pray that they will be of value when someone speaks out against you or your group.

[limoce]

There's a huge gap on the opinions of Xinjiang between the Chinese side and the Western side. Don't put your words for Chinese side on HN because no one would vote for you and your comment will be eventually grayed out.

[throw10920]

I can't recall seeing downvoted comments on HN that were defending China while making good points, with sound logic, avoiding whataboutism and crazy comparisons, and being respectful. The problem is that almost every pro-Chinese-policy comment that I've seen here violates one or more of those things.

In the specific case of the GP post, they're making a bad analogy in their first paragraph.

[jfax]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes

[jackjeff]

The situation of African Americans nowadays is nowhere near comparable.

The issue are the “jail looking” camps which are officially “education centers”. Forced labour happens there, which is basically slavery. Western companies don’t want to be associated with slavery. It’s hard enough when people are paid almost nothing, but here they are literally not paid and obliged to work. The living conditions of people in the camps won’t change regardless of what western companies do. Also mass sterilization occurs in these camps which is considered a genocide by many.

I know western media bias is a thing and that most Chinese people have no idea this is happening and are good people. But this is one of these things where there’s just way too much smoke for there to be no fire. There are too many testimonies and photos. As uncomfortable as it is, it is unfortunately true. This is not a western conspiracy.

[chloerei]

When these allegations first appeared, I waited cautiously for evidence. Maybe something happened around me that I didn't know?

When the BBC interviewed Xinjiang but failed to find evidence, and then only used video filters to render fear, I questioned the authenticity of these allegations.

Later, the "evidence" displayed by the Western media had a lot of traces of forgery. After that, I didn't believe these allegations even more.

It's a pity that people who have been immersed in Western media propaganda for a long time have been implanted with a concept: China is bad. This makes any news that is bad for China seem to be true. Whoever says China is good is the CCP propagandist.

But people living in China know that Western media reports are very biased.

[hellmundus]

It's also an irony that people who have a slightest hint of saying China is not all good are easily regarded as traitors on the Chinese internet. Also some people living in China know that Chinese media outlets (all state-run) might be far more biased. But hey, I'm not playing whataboutism. It just seems so ironic to my Chinese eyes.

[pera]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide

Do you believe this whole article is "Wester media propaganda"?

In my opinion the entire world is responsible for these atrocities, not only China.

[kitsune_]

Is there an equivalent to the NAACP for the Uyghurs in China?

[kwere]

the scale is the problem