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Actually I had just done a bunch of researching on Penrose around the time I was having that conversation with Jack, in fact I think I'd watched these two lectures within a few months of that conversation:

Quantum Biology: The Hidden Nature of Nature - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADiql3FG5is

An Introduction to Quantum Biology - with Philip Ball - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLeEsYDlXJk