[teakettle42]

> After DOJ intervention nowadays we have Apple shipping a 1700$ phone which is completely closed off and out of the box is impossible to charge while listening to music at the same time.

Even the base model iPhone SE ($399) has an external speaker, bluetooth, and airplay, all of which are capable of playing music while charging at the same time.

What a strange complaint to make, and it’s even stranger to tie it to your even stranger take on the DOJ and Microsoft.

[GDC7]

> What a strange complaint to make, and it’s even stranger to tie it to your even stranger take on the DOJ and Microsoft.

Had the DOJ not attacked Microsoft we'd have a better, more open phone which would also come out of the box with the ability to play music while charging.

iPhones made in 2012 were only barely better than Pocket PCs made in 2005

[AnimalMuppet]

Had the DOJ not attacked Microsoft, we would have had a more open future? That's... let's just call that a minority opinion, unsupported by the available evidence.

[GDC7]

Evidence is Pocket PC

Evidence is also how the iPhone struggle to communicate with Windows PCs and everything which isn't Apple.

Evidence is also the fact that out of the box you cannot charge your 1700$ phone while listening to music at the same time.

[MBCook]

Have you ever used Pocket PC?

I used it. Everything from the original version that came on little tiny palmtops (Windows CE) to the near final version on things like the compact iPaq.

As a geek I found it interesting, but realistically it sucked.

It was eventually available on some of the early smart phones. It had its chance. It failed. Microsoft kept reinventing it trying to fix it, and it never worked. People preferred the “inferior“ PalmOS.

There’s a reason the iPhone came in and ate everyone’s lunch.

Microsoft had a chance. They were competing. They made changes. They rewrote the UI numerous times. They lost. BAD.

The idea that the Pocket PC was better than the iPhone is demonstrably, by sales, wrong.

The idea that the Pocket PC failed somehow because of the Microsoft antitrust settlement with the government… I don’t understand that one.

[teakettle42]

> Evidence is also the fact that out of the box you cannot charge your 1700$ phone while listening to music at the same time.

That you continue to repeat this, despite it being clearly disproven above, is telling.

[GDC7]

> That you continue to repeat this, despite it being clearly disproven above, is telling.

Where are the airpods? Not even the last model, even 2017 Airpods.. you know just to provide some aftercare to the customer after screwing them so badly

[AnimalMuppet]

You know, the iPhone is not the only option out there...

[redler]

The persistence of affront at the removal of the headphone port never ceases to impress, even on a time scale of many years.

[macintux]

“Better” is definitely relative to your needs. For most consumers, iPhones in 2007 were easier to use, with a responsive touch interface and (for the time) huge screen.