[shiohime]

That's like saying every java developer since the beginning of time is not talented because they decided to pull in log4j.

[Ekaros]

I actually think that that level of enterprise over engineering really already needs some level of talent.

[shiohime]

I honestly agree too having worked in enterprise, but see it more as an inevitability as an enterprise product continues to be supported for years and years, as the original talent is churned, and multiple generations of engineers come and go. It's why I don't want to go back into enterprise ever again lol supporting legacy huge overengineered products is rough.