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by bedobi 1643 days ago
> you're arguing for removing the ability of those whose opinions you dislike to have their opinions represented

as I said elsewhere, I think the cost for voting for minority extremist parties and policies should be higher, not lower, yes, and frankly, I don't have a problem with disenfranchising extremism, no.

> I don't consider countries which uses FPTP to be democratic countries at all. I'm de facto disenfranchised

I think that's great. More "fair" voting systems to me are bad because it seems to me all they do is just to cater to people's extremism.

On a side note, probably the fundamental reason why we disagree is because you and people like you seem to think democracy should mean the will of the people and the voting system should serve to cater to and express the will of the people as closely as possible, including the ugly stuff,

while I and people like me think in liberal democracies there are a lot of things which are not and should not be subject to the will of the people, no matter how popular, and the voting system should not cater to peoples extremisms, no matter how popular.

Your side will make a point out of that, saying you're more democratic. Maybe that's true! But I don't want to live in a society where eg fundamental human rights are subject to the whims of popular opinion. (which is often ugly, misinformed etc etc)