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by air7 1645 days ago
This is one of my favorite questions in the area of social/moral governance.

Put more generally: How much should we protect people from themselves?

In the not-so-distant past, I'm guessing, the answer to that for most people was: Very little. After all, adults are capable and expected to make rational choices and do so every day; for themselves, and the people they cate about. So giving them more options is just helpful...

But the past few decades have perhaps opened our eyes. From Kahneman & Tversky, behavioral economics and cognitive biases, to the smartphone (and other screens) epidemic that rages everywhere the device is in use.

It's become extremely clear that "adults" are not very good at being rational and self-controling. At least when they are put up aginst corporations who employe armies of professional mind hackers whos sole job is to make them lose the battle.

So the debate isn't really Control vs. Freedom anymore. Its more like Protection vs. Jungle Law.

And still, though we've realized the stakes are higher than we first thought, the right moral choice is unclear. Perhaps the idea of protecting ourselves from commercial predetors should be seen as childishly quixotic as the idea of protecting Deer from lions. Especially since the "Lions" are us too. We (though in smaller numbers) are also the benefactors of these questionable actions.

But then again, no one likes to be prohibited from doing what they want, and that's a great, and fairly new, right that we have (with restrictions of course). We should be quick to hamper it.

Good question...

3 comments

> From Kahneman & Tversky, behavioral economics and cognitive biases, to the smartphone (and other screens) epidemic that rages everywhere the device is in use.

That new inventions often have a negative impact shouldn't be surprising, but I think it's worthwhile to try to set this against all the positive aspects. I remember life before mobile phones, and from my perspective, they have provided far greater benefits than harms. Wide access to GPS and maps, instant access to emergency communications, and many applications that improve productivity and quality of life are far better explanations of why these devices have become so prevalent.

> It's become extremely clear that "adults" are not very good at being rational and self-controling.

Has it? I feel that this is a refelction of them not very good at "following the agenda of the elites," but that's hardly the same thing as not being rational. As a counter example, there are more guns than people in the United States, yet there are only around 12,000 murders per year. From that view, we're exceptionally good at being rational and exhibiting self control.

Likewise, we travel trillions of miles on our roads, and they're not the complete disaster that you would expect from a population that's largely unable to self-regulate. Similarly, general aviation is a thing that exists, and while it may seem largely regulated you would be surprised to learn exactly how much latitude a GA pilot has in operating their aircraft.

> So the debate isn't really Control vs. Freedom anymore. Its more like Protection vs. Jungle Law.

If that's the case.. why wouldn't you punish the abusers, rather than preempt the freedom of individuals? One is definitely a problem, the other _might_ be a problem. It seems like putting the cart before the horse to approach the problem in this way.

One thing that occurs to me is that the 'jungle law' is fairly one-sided in who can predate upon whom. We all laughed at the lady who won a big settlment for being burnt by coffee she spilled, or the people sueing Mcdonald's because they were overweight. But maybe those were opening salvos in a war that currently has the megacorps winning more ground than they should. Perhaps the parents of the next radicalised young person should sue Meta, and perhaps the jury should help take them to the cleaners. It seems to be working against Monsanto. Perhaps we need to recognise that we don't care nearly as much about how protective the megacorps are as we care about our ability to turn the tables now and then.
> It's become extremely clear that "adults" are not very good at being rational and self-controling.

Consequence of several generations of "self-esteem-oriented" child rearing. If people are not taught self-control when they are young, why will they suddenly exhibit it when they are adults?