[rendall]

Nah. Speaking as an American ex-pat, it's about Americans being offended that foreign laws have heft and import. It pierces the sovereignty bubble. The Internet is home-grown. How dare other nations dictate to us Americans how we run our sites, amirite? We're gonna take our toys and home.

[throwaway894345]

This is a silly, shamefully obvious straw man. No one is saying “Americans uniquely shouldn’t have to parse other countries’ laws”, the argument is “it’s ruggedly impractical for ordinary citizens of any country to parse the laws of other countries”.

[rendall]

> the argument is “it’s ruggedly impractical for ordinary citizens of any country to parse the laws of other countries”

Julian Assange and Kim Dotcom and myriad less famous individuals will be relieved to hear it.

[throwaway894345]

Those aren’t cases of “ordinary individuals” and thus don’t apply, but yes the general principle also implies the special case that ordinary non-Americans shouldn’t have to parse American law just to go about their lives.

[rendall]

Foreign nationals contending with extraditions to the US for alleged actions performed while in foreign, sovereign lands is a far more serious problem by any measure than having to protect user data or risk not being able to do business in Europe. But go on with your "No True Scotsman" arguments

[throwaway894345]

> But go on with your "No True Scotsman" arguments

Says the guy frantically moving goalposts. :)

[splitstud]

No its literally about avoiding the morass of legal compliance as best you can, whenever and wherever.

[rendall]

The "compliance" is quite simple. Don't do this thing. Don't collect personal information without permission. Very, very simple.

If you do collect personal data, with permission, it's only slightly more complicated. Let the individuals control their data, including deletion. Don't do anything with it without permission. Again, not hard to understand.

The "morass" is for people who are gonna try anyway. "Well, what about if we bury the permission under exhausting legalese?" No, that's unlawful. "What if we collect it but obfuscate it?" Not without permission. Etc.

So, "compliance morass" is not an argument. It's an extremely simple law.

[rob_c]

Thank you