[nu11ptr]

Interesting - I've also written a ton of code in those languages (not as much in Haskell), and Go would be my last choice by a large margin (and Rust my favorite by a wide margin). I went through a love/hate relationship for a while (it lets me create static executable, compiles pretty fast, it is easy to remember, etc. but if I have to type "if err == nil" one more time!!!).

While I applaud the focus on simplicity, I found it simply transfers that burden to the programmer (I have to loop over a map to clear it...really?). Every single "lack of" feature in Go (has nil, no sum type errors, no pattern matching, etc.) is in Rust which gives me endless freedom to express safe, correct programs. I suppose language choice is highly individual, but it still perplexes me as to what people see in Go over Rust.

[randomdata]

I'm sure everyone's experiences differ, but in my travels Go has shown to carry the lowest rate of "who wrote this shit?" when you come back to a project five years later. I agree that it puts the burden onto the programmer upfront, but reduces it down the road. Tradeoffs...

I have a lot more fun writing code in other languages. I enjoy not having that burden on me while writing code. In an earlier life that would have been important to me. Now that I'm old and curmudgeony I've started to value other things.

[theshrike79]

I work in a team, where not all are unicorn Rust specialists. The work we do doesn't require millisecond-level response times, nor is it something that needs to be ultra-safe in relation to memory safety.

I can teach any mook with basic Java/C# programming knowledge how to be productive in Go in less than a week. At this point they can read pretty much any Go code pretty fluently and can be trusted not to commit anything stupid.

Can you say the same about Rust?

[nu11ptr]

> I work in a team, where not all are unicorn Rust specialists

> I can teach any mook with basic Java/C# programming knowledge how to be productive in Go in less than a week.

This is fair, and probably the reason why Go continues to be popular I guess

> The work we do doesn't require millisecond-level response times

Rust is a high level language, and it is a bit of a misnomer that it is only good for low level things. Most of my stuff doesn't require this level of speed either (the previous major version of my project was written in _Python_). I use Rust for the safety and data structure benefits, not speed.

> can be trusted not to commit anything stupid

As a Rust coder, and a fan of functional programming as well, I personally find any "null pointer" error quite "stupid" and unnecessary as is the occasional "err == nil" instead of "err != nil", or forgetting to check it at all. We will probably have to disagree on what constitutes stupidity, and that is fine.

[fiedzia]

Absolutely. You can write some Rust by following some hello world tutorial and be productive in 15 minutes. That doesn't mean you'd be proficient in writing procedural macros or understanding all details of memory management, but I've seen Linux magazines presenting Rust omitting all those "advanced" features and surprising amount of Rust users is new to programming.

The learning curve is usually different because you will need to understand more before program will compile and because most materials aims to cover 100% of the language from day one, but if you want to approach it differently, productivity wouldn't be a problem.

[verdagon]

Just so we're clear, you're saying that Rust only takes 15 minutes to learn and be productive in, for the average person?

[fiedzia]

Basic Rust, sure. For some definition of "basic", and average person that knows some other programming language. What I mean is something along this line:

https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/getting-started-rust-wo...

It leaves many concepts without full explanation, but that's not necessary to do something useful.