[fourtrees]

People with (often) new age mystical beliefs justify them with unconventional, incompletely understood, or naïve views of QM. Like the belief in the healing effects of crystals due to some quantum effect or that consciousness is generated by quantum effects in neurons.

I seriously doubt any quantum mysticism is true, and I'm happy to defer to the physicists to get my woo from QM as in this experiment.

[BlueTemplar]

Maybe don't tar Penrose with the same brush ?

[fourtrees]

Penrose, who's probably my favorite living physicist, is far from the only person who's attempted to connect QM to everything mental from consciousness, free will, qualia to telepathy or the efficacy of prayer. QM is a god-of-the-gaps for mental things we don't understand or don't really exist. And it plays that role in plenty of other places.

One good reason for not lumping ORR in with crystal healing (beyond the rigor and erudition applied to the theories) is that ORR addresses what most would consider a real mystery in our understanding of the mind (however you define that), while crystal healing addresses something demonstrably false.

I'll still contend there's some quantum woo to ORR, but for that reason it's been a brave attempt to further scientific knowledge.

[astrange]

I can and I will. “Quantum effects” doesn’t mean magic - things like paint color come from “quantum effects” - but he is using it to mean brains are magic.

[AnimalMuppet]

Maybe be more specific in what you're referring to?

[BlueTemplar]

> consciousness is generated by quantum effects in neurons

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orchestrated_objective_reducti...