[dkdk8283]

Is there anything left of SF? It’s been a shitshow for years , why anyone wants to live there is perplexing.

[seattle_spring]

A ton of great food, lots of concerts and shows from all over the world, great weather, and relatively easy access to world class outdoor activities?

[hn_user82179]

Heaven forbid someone would want to live in a phenomenal climate in a city with good diversity and tolerant people.

[johnebgd]

Great climate and gorgeous scenery but it is a city that lost a ground war with an army of homeless drug addicts.

Human feces on all of the streets, regular property crime, stores closing up and moving away, intense regulatory oversight for small businesses along with high costs.

No one I know who is starting something novel is doing it in California.

[hn_user82179]

I guess it depends on what you mean by novel but the startup scene is very strong in the bay currently. I moved out to Utah last year for a cheaper place to live and obviously that’s nice, but the amount of casual racism and lack of diversity is shocking. I took things like tolerance and even basic regards for the planet for granted while I lived in the bay, and I’m dismayed at how rare that is across the rest of the US.

[likeabbas]

I wouldn't say SF's climate is that good - SoCal weather is far superior. And many of the San Franciscans I came across during my time there were pretentious and snobby. The rest of the Bay Area wasn't any better, and I'm much happier since moving to NYC.

[hn_user82179]

I won’t argue about the climate, obviously SoCal is sunnier but I never was a fan of the heat waves and smog of LA. My own personal definition for a good climate is a temperature that gives the ability to do things outside year-round but I do love visiting that part of California!

[throwntoday]

>tolerant people

Yeah people surr are tolerant of all the carjackers and homeless

[dkdk8283]

And intolerant of entire schools of thought

[adamnemecek]

SF is not the only place like that.

[hn_user82179]

Absolutely! But not every place is like that :)

[nradov]

The climate in the south Bay Area is better most of the year.

[AussieWog93]

>why anyone wants to live there is perplexing

No comment on the city itself, or what it's like for unskilled workers, but my old boss moved there to get a US$300k/yr salary at Uber.

He was getting around US$100k/yr in Melbourne.

[rkk3]

The weather, but between wildfires & heatwaves's even that isn't what it used to be.

[zactato]

Do you live here? It's still pretty damn nice.

[okareaman]

Back in the 80's during the aids epidemic, conservatives used to complain about SF for being "gay" and "Sodom and Gomorrah" but then started getting called out for being homophobic in the 90's, so they had to come up with new ways to express their disdain for the city.

San Francisco is a beautiful city and I enjoy visiting. There are parts of it that are an absolute nightmare, but that's also true of any major city.

[anonygler]

Box everyone who criticizes livability and safety issues of SF with 80’s era southern baptists? Nice one bro.

[okareaman]

I didn't box everyone. I said conservatives. Fox News loves to bash San Francisco. I have to live around conservatives who are always bashing San Francisco. I think the source of it is homophobia. That's my opinion. I understand yours. Yes, I agree, it would be wrong to call everyone who has a criticsim of something in SF as homophobic.

[anonygler]

Conservatives are allowed to criticize things and they’re not automatically driven by some sort of *phobia.

[okareaman]

Absolutely. I am big supporter of Liz Cheney and have given her money. I like her brand of conservatism.

[pyuser583]

San Francisco got a very, very bad reputation starting in the 70s - O’Farrel brothers, Jim Jones, the Symbionese Liberation Army, etc.