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by screye 1652 days ago
I think this is a genuinely good idea. (which should obviously be accompanied by actual rehabilitative options and de-stigmatization of mental health) I went to similar institute in India (NIT, the proverbial first losers), and 3 students hung themselves over the span on 2 years. (1 acquaintance, 1 friend) From what was made public, their decision to commit suicide was a rash one, tied to the fear of failure. (one was a break up)

I have been depressed before, and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. But, the decision to go from crushing depression to suicide is often fast (span on a few days) and genuinely reversible, as long as the person lives. We know that far more men die due to suicide, due to their choice of a more fatal weapon (gun to the dead > slashing veins).

Making it harder to commit suicide gives institutions and social systems time to help the person out.

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Indians aged 18-19 at top engineering institutes are probably the most underdeveloped humans you will ever meet.

These kids sacrifice their entire personal/social/philosophical development for 2-6 years, to study 12+ hrs/day for the IIT-JEE entrance exam. They have no life, no hobbies, no personal aspirations outside getting into IIT.

Once they're in, they are often alone & underprepared for the general rigors of campus life. They feel too emotionally about their first relationship or they take their first failure too hard (I have had to talk my India CBSE top 10 rank friend out of harming himself, because he got a 'B' for the first time in his life. I kid you not).

Every part of this process is exploitative and unfair to the children. But, in a country where getting into IIT/IISc opens doors to the world's elite, you can hardly fault them/ their families for simply optimizing for the best value proposition.

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IMO, top Engineering institutes in India need to allow students some time to breathe after they come in. Let them live out their high-school days in some capacity during their freshman year of college. Let them find an identity that isn't tied to their grades and studies.

Lastly, but most importantly, teach them about mental health and struggles that they are bound to face. Help them truly grok that failure is an inevitable part of everyone's life. Unfortunately, I find that this is still under discussed even in elite universities in the US. What hope do these Indian institutes have?

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I do not think mental health education is the answer, in a highly populated country like India and the pressure to succeed, it will never go away unless culture changes. The pressures in India are extreme and the preferential treatment of “backwards castes” has costs. Unless they de emphasize the culture, you’ll see this pattern as is the case in China, Japan, South Korea, and MIT.

My cousin faced the same issues, he now has an outlet for his frustrations and cares less about success that is ingrained in academia.

The worst part about this is many people in this worldview expect it to be easy after. India has the lowest divorce rate so it’s possible it’s not a delusion to get a good wife with a good job, but society is changing, and with no social skills these people face more problems later.

You have written such a thoughtful reply that it honestly makes me sad. Why can't something so basic, that each of us feel within us does not occur to or resonate with hundreds of qualified (I imagine) administrators or policy makers?

Or is it just that, only we see the sense?