[gurkendoktor]

> I don't see many old macs around

Just anecdata, but from walking through German trains, I disagree. I still see non-Retina MacBook Airs on some trays, for example, last sold in 2015.

Some Mac models are clearly more reliable and maintainable than others, see the butterfly keyboard fiasco. But I think companies should be judged by their better products, not the duds.

[gigatexal]

Yes 2016 to 2020 for keyboards was a terrible terrible black eye for my narrative. The damn keyboard fiasco.