[Argonaut998]

>it literally states that Covid is between 7 and 40 times more likely to cause Myocarditis.

There is no control group for unvaccinated people in this study. Everyone who got myocarditis from COVID had at least one dose of the vaccine. So the correct statement is "COVID is between 7 and 40 times more likely to cause myocarditis IF you have gotten at least one dose of the vaccine"

[ImaCake]

The study is “self-control” which means patients are compared before and after the exposure (vaccine or covid) for the outcome (myocarditis). So there is a control - the control for each person is their pre-exposure selves.

If you want to argue against the article I suggest considering the bias of being 1 year older after the exposure than before it. For a large population that might matter for myocarditis incidence. I suspect they have corrected for this however.

[Trumpi]

I think the point here is that the article should have said that Covid is between 7 and 40 times more likely to cause Myocarditis _for vaccinated people_ because unvaccinated people weren't studied.

[Pyramus]

No, because this study doesn't exist in a vacuum. The contribution is to quantify the relative risk between Covid and vaccines. We already know that Covid has a significant myocarditis risk on its own (as has any viral infection). On the other hand, the authors explicitly state they see no indication for an interaction after 28 days.

You are free to challenge the latter part, but so far there is no evidence that the vaccines "stay in your body" or something similar.

[fsh]

I think you might have misread the paper. Here is the relevant section about SARS-CoV-2 infections:

Amongst those with at least one dose, there were 3,028,867 (7.8%) individuals who had a SARS-CoV-2 positive test. Of these, 2,315,669 (6.0%) individuals tested positive before vaccination; while 713,198 (1.8%) and 298,315 (0.7%) tested positive after the first and second vaccine doses, respectively.

[oneoff786]

Nit, the 1 year is more noteworthy as time since vaccination, not age.

If these effects take 1 year to manifest, then it’s hard to identify the causal factor with this setup

[ppaattrriicckk]

That's a very fair point. Hard to do anything about right now, since they unfortunately didn't include those.

However, while very hand-wavy on my part, I believe there's plenty of evidence that Covid on its own wreaks havoc on our cardiovascular system, so I'm definitely leaning towards it being the biggest sole risk here.

[loceng]

From what I've read it's more so the current state of cardiovascular health that leads to problems relating to COVID, e.g. comorbidities.