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by andriesm 1646 days ago
It may be an unpopular view, but I don't believe we should attach ANY MERIT AT ALL to, as you said "women FELT" harassed. The only yard stick should be actual concrete actions of harassment, and those should be dealt with strongly and profesionally.

In this article she complains about guys prospecting for dating opportunities at company social events. Depending on the exact nature of such, it is likely poor form, but is it really sexual harassment?

Or her complaint that "men stare at women working".... what are women like royalty you have to stair at the ground lest you accidentally "stare"?

You cannot and should not punish anyone for using their goddamned eyes to look at anything in their surroundings anymore than you can or should punish thought crimes.

If it is really obnoxious staring, the mature thing is to confront it and make it clear. Beyond that I don't have a solution against people being assholes. I mean if a woman is bitchy to me in a way that doesn't cross the line of breaking company policy, there is nothing much I can do except manage the situation.

BUT: as soon as any real line has been crossed, consequences should get real.

But this woman has so many complaints that seem marginal, mixed with complaints that are very serious like inappropriate touching, that I think she probably burned her credibility.

I mean, if the same person kept coming in to HR with very marginal complains, someone looked at me and I didn't like it, someone asked if I would like to for lunxh and I said no and then nothing further happened... this stuff seriously dilutes and detracts from actual sexual misconduct.

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I might agree that the "hurt feelings" framing is unhelpful to an outside observer, but the article mentions butts being grabbed, women getting bear-hugged without consent and people outright ignoring OP's request to "stay professional" while discussing work (at her house, no less). That's seriously toxic behavior and no one should be expected to put up with it. When a toxic, dysfunctional work culture is being enabled like that, even stuff that would usually be dismissed as "marginal" becomes relevant because it's just adding to a huge unaddressed problem.