[lotsofpulp]

> but I can see the reasons people might compare it to being turned upside down and shaken for loose change like a piggy bank.

How?

Licensing music requires ongoing payments from Apple to music owners.

iCloud requires Apple to maintain data centers and bandwidth.

TV+ requires ongoing investment into creation of new video productions.

News+ is similar to music, Apple has ongoing costs to pay the owner of the journalism.

Games also gets new games all the time, so presumably there are ongoing expenses there also.

And fitness+ might be one where there is less need for ongoing expenses, but they do seem to be adding content regularly.

[jldugger]

I'm not saying there aren't costs associated with building or running these services that need to be paid for. But owning the OS and pushing subs in the default apps is just as annoying when Apple does it as when Youtube does.

[skinnymuch]

I had never noticed the upselling of Arcade or Fitness before. I opened the apps up now and see there are tabs for them. I’ve opened the fitness and app stores up for ages. Never noticed before. I barely notice the TV+ stuff in the TV app. Can’t comment on the other two services. Still, yes, this is lame to do.

However if this is an extension of the original argument for why it makes sense to assume Apple is Nickle and diming over priced digital services. It doesn’t fit.