[long_time_gone]

==This disdain for suburbs is quite tacky and out of touch.==

It's also out of touch to assume every family in "the city" lives in a 2 bedroom apartment with no yard. Lots of families in my city (Chicago) live in 3 story walk-ups, duplex-downs or even single family homes which all have yards.

Perhaps we could all be a little more open-minded about how other people live.

[nopenopenopeno]

A 3 story walk up is going to be a 2 br apartment in most cases, and may have a shared outdoor space but it’ll cost as much as a large house in the suburbs with a big garage and 2 big lawns.

[long_time_gone]

==but it’ll cost as much as a large house in the suburbs with a big garage and 2 big lawns.==

Based on what metric?

Here [1] is a three-bedroom apartment in one of Chicago's nicest areas (Ravenswood/Lincoln Square), with heat/water included, right by the Brown Line for $2,100/month.

Find me the large house in the suburbs that will run you $2,100/month. Don't forget to include the 20% down payment, on-going maintenance, utilities, and an additional car.

[1] https://www.apartments.com/4742-n-oakley-ave-chicago-il/4d99...