[shmerl]

Define "useful" here. Lot's of people with useful education struggle with paying off their debt. There is something pretty crooked in such attitude.

[b9a2cab5]

Objectively, from the statistics, that's just not the case. Average undergraduate student loan debt in public California schools was $23,600 in 2019 [1]. That is less than the price of most new cars.

[1]: https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-aler...

[shmerl]

From what I've seen, it's not something to be brushed off as "not the case".

[b9a2cab5]

You're talking from anecdotes, I'm showing you the objective statistics supplied by the state of California. One is going to give a more complete picture than the other.

[shmerl]

Still not a reason to brush it off. It's still crooked.